[the hog]

Imps. V vs not.

(1D) P (P) ?

AKQ962
A72
J7
Q2

What do you bid?
If you choose 2S as I did, the bidding proceeds

(1D) P (P) 2S
(4H) 4S (5H) ?

Now??

[Gerben42]

2♠ is okay. It seems LHO has a freak 2-suiter, always dangerous. Also we don't know what partner bid 4♠ on. I pass, partner knows I have this and is in a better position to figure out what to do next.

[PMetsch]

1) I think the hand is too good for 2♠, I would DBL
2) 5♠, this seems no forcing pass situation. Don't know who can make a contract at the 5-level. The opps don't know either, so they may bid 6♥.

[FrancesHinden]

This is a down the middle 2S bid.

I don't think this is a forcing pass position, but whether it is or not I probably pass as I have exactly what I have shown: opening values & a decent 6-card spade suit.

I have a nasty feeling it isn't our hand. It's not impossible they are making 6H.
Of course, this depends a bit on opponents & whether we trust them or they are insane. If everyone is sane, then something like

-
KJxxx
AKQxxxx
A

on our left, and

xxx
Qxxx
x
xxxxx

on our right, with

J10xx
x
xxx
KJxxx

in partner's hand is entirely consistent with the auction.

[Chamaco]

Is pass forcing ?
I am not sure here.

In any case, I bid 5S, pard should have all the clubs of the deck (opener has a red 2 suiter, his pard has hearts support with close to a yarborough, since he passed , I expect to lose 2 diamonds and claim :-) ).

I I am off 1, I think/hope it's not a phantom save (in we are off I'd expect opps to have 5H laydown).

[Jurek S]

I'd pass. Forcing or not ? Who knows but accept both.

[whereagles]

5S for me. LHO seems to have a freak, and in these sort of cases it's usually better to bid one more for the road.

[mike777]

pass, another easy one.
1) 2s tells my story wonderfully.
2) ditto 6332 shape
3) ace of H and 3 hearts more pass than bid on.
4) 5 level belongs to opp
5) p could not overcall 1d
6) well bid 4s partner, very well done.
7) partner can bid again if they have funny hand.

[Walddk]

Pass is clear to me. I showed my hand when i bid 2♠. Now it's up to partner to decide. Only he knows why he bid 4♠. There is nothing forcing about my pass now.

Roland

[Al_U_Card]

Buy low (2S), sell high (pass). Not forcing, ever, and glad they didn't double 4S which might have been less than 6H making but more than 5H making.....

[Chamaco]

I have read with interest the various comments by players far better than me: so I would appreciate feedback on my thought processes, given below.
Thanks :-)

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I realize that my 2S bid has indeed shown my values (and 5S would run the risk to bid "twice" my hand), but there are 2 things pard won't know, and if we pass he will have trouble to figure out:

1) I have Axx in opps suit and I know from the bidding pard is short in the same suit (we are likely not to lose heart)
2) I have Qx in clubs: the Q is a huge offensive card according to the bidding: as opener is likely to be VERY short in clubs and RHO has a semi-yarborough, pard is likely to have all values there.

The combination of 1 and 2) has transformed our hand from a "down the middle" 2S to a huge offensive hand IMO.
Even in the layout shown by Frances, even 6S is a good sac, red vs white, and that says it all about the offensive power of this hand once opener shows a red 2 suiter and RHO shows a bust (so he has no clubs values).

So I think that bidding 5S is not "rebiding my hand", but showing the extra offensive power of Axx in opps suit and Qx of clubs.

[Chamaco]

Jlall, on Sep 1 2005, 04:08 PM, said:

even in the layout shown by frances, pard has a very easy 5S bid.

Justin, could you comment on the rest of my "thinking aloud" of my previous post ?

[inquiry]

Pass.. I have told my story...

Time for another Commercial.... Francis gives this hand for them as a possibility...

Quote

--
KJxxx
AKQxxxx
A

on our left, and

xxx
Qxxx
x
xxxxx

Not against me.. My bidding would be MISIRY

2NT - (P) - 4C - (4S)
?

Over 4♠ if I have strong hand with spades, I double. All other bids show strong hand without spades. With 4NT showing 3-4 loser, 5C showing 2 loser, need lower cover, 5D two loser, no need for lower cover, 5H 1 loser, etc...

So over 4S I would bid 5D, and partner would bid 6♥. Here we have partner raising us and opponents competiting, and we still land accurately and quickly at correct spot.

The combining of 3-4 loser hands in competition and if partner is so rude as not to bid the transfer suit at cheapest level is very common.

[mike777]

Jlall, on Sep 1 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

even in the layout shown by frances, pard has a very easy 5S bid.

1) "fought the law" our hand
13-3-0=expect to make 10 tricks vul.
13=total tricks
3=guess of combined 2 shortest suits
0=guess of 19-21 working hcp

2) "fought the law" opp hand
13-2-0=11 tricks
13=total tricks
2=guess of combined 2 shortest suits. If "1" then they make 6.
0=guess of 19-21 working hcp.

[Chamaco]

Jlall, on Sep 1 2005, 04:17 PM, said:

2) I think you are overrating the club queen.

The evaluation of the club Queen is not so much in the power in offense (we can ruff side suits so no discard needed), but the fact that its defensive value is null. Basically it raises the ODR value of the hand, not so much for the high offensive power, but for its null defensive value.

[FrancesHinden]

Jlall, on Sep 1 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

even in the layout shown by frances, pard has a very easy 5S bid.

That was my thought as well.

What put me off acting is that partner may have a load of values in diamonds, and a trump lead could put paid to any ambitions the opponents have of making 11 tricks.

Who the opponents are is relevant. I would bid 3H on some pretty powerful 5-6s (or even 5-7s) here; I wouldn't bid 4H unless I think it's very likely to make as I trust my partner. However some people may not be in a regular partnership, or may not trust their partner to (say) bid 5D over 3H looking at xxx Kx Jxx xxxxx.

[Fluffy]

I don't see any way to beat 5♥, I'll bid 5♠.