[mgoetze]

For those of you who want to watch interesting systems on Vugraph but are too lazy to look through all the convention cards, here's an overview of what to expect in the upcoming Bermuda Bowl:

Precision-like Systems (Strong Club with shape positives, 5-card majors): Dai-Yang (China), Chiu-Yang (C. Taipei), Barakat-Ghanem (Jordan) [Super Precision], de Wijs-Muller (Netherlands) [Tarzan Precision], Jassem-Martens [Non-Vuln] (Poland), Gromov-Dubinin (Russia), Nyström-Bertheau (Sweden), Greco-Hampson (USA), Meckstroth-Rodwell (USA)

Strong Club, 5-card majors, Control Responses: Lambardi-Madala (Argentinia), Mooney-Monsegur (Argentina)

Strong Club, 4-card majors, Canape: Ekeblad-Rubin (USA), Hamman-Soloway (USA)

2-way Club (Scandinavian Style): Lindkvist-Fredin (Sweden), Sundelin-Sylvan (Sweden)

3-way Club (Polish Style): Jansma-Verhees (Netherlands), Jagniewski-Pazur (Poland), Jassem-Martens [Vuln] (Poland), Krupowicz-Lutostanski (Poland), Khven-Khoklov (Russia), Zlotov-Kholomeev (Russia)

Moscito or Similar: Marston-Thomson (Australia), Reid-Newell (New Zealand)

Unclassifiable Red-Category Systems: Hobart-Mittelman (Canada), El Geddawy-Pascal (Egypt), Fantoni-Nunes (Italy)

The Marston-Thomson CC has lots of detail on Moscito 2005 attached, for those who aren't content with the Booklet we got recently.

[pbleighton]

Thanks!

I counted 26 pairs, all playing some kind of "non-natural" system. How many pairs are playing in total, and do you know generally what the rest are playing, in general - is it mostly 5 card majors and strong NT?

Peter

[Walddk]

pbleighton, on Aug 30 2005, 04:04 AM, said:

I counted 26 pairs, all playing some kind of "non-natural" system.  How many pairs are playing in total

22 teams of 3 pairs in all 3 series: Open, Women, Seniors. For full BBO vugraph (provisional) schedule:

http://online.bridge...ph/schedule.php

For systems:
http://www.ecatsbridge.com/Events/wbf/2005...ril/default.asp

Roland

[han]

This is going to be fun!

[jillybean]

From WBF Systems Policy...

3. SYSTEMS ALLOWED AT WBF CHAMPIONSHIPS

In relation to the aspect of Systems to be allowed at WBF Championships, the events will be divided into three categories:

CATEGORY 1

Bermuda Bowl, Venice Cup

For such events all classifications of systems will be permitted, subject to adequate disclosure, but teams using HUM systems must submit their Convention Cards in advance in accordance with the Conditions of Contest and will be subject to a reduction of seating rights, as follows:

Whenever a team with one or more pairs using a HUM system opposes a team that has no such pair, the HUM systems team will be the 'Away' team, and lines up first throughout.

No special seating rights or line-up restrictions shall apply when two teams containing HUM systems pairs (regardless of line-up) oppose one another.


What do the last 2 paragraphs actually mean? - special seating rights, line-up restrictions?

tyia
jb

[Double !]

What in the world is "Tarzan Precision"? Beat on your chest several times, scream, and then bid 1 club?

[Double !]

jillybean2, on Aug 30 2005, 12:17 AM, said:

From WBF Systems Policy...

3. SYSTEMS ALLOWED AT WBF CHAMPIONSHIPS

In relation to the aspect of Systems to be allowed at WBF Championships, the events will be divided into three categories:

CATEGORY 1

Bermuda Bowl, Venice Cup

For such events all classifications of systems will be permitted, subject to adequate disclosure, but teams using HUM systems must submit their Convention Cards in advance in accordance with the Conditions of Contest and will be subject to a reduction of seating rights, as follows:

Whenever a team with one or more pairs using a HUM system opposes a team that has no such pair, the HUM systems team will be the 'Away' team, and lines up first throughout.

No special seating rights or line-up restrictions shall apply when two teams containing HUM systems pairs (regardless of line-up) oppose one another.


What do the last 2 paragraphs actually mean?

tyia
jb

I don't know, but my best guess is it means that, if one of the pairs on a team is playing a "highly unusual method" system and no one on the opposing team is playing a HUM (highly unusual method) system, then the team without any HUM pairs gets the final choice regarding which pairs from their team face which pairs from the opps team. However, if both teams have pairs playing highly unusual methods, then some other method (maybe seeding) is used to determine who has the final say in terms of whch pairs play against whom. (Just a guess)

[Walddk]

Double !, on Aug 30 2005, 07:19 AM, said:

What in the world is "Tarzan Precision"?  Beat on your chest several times, scream, and then bid 1 club?

Maybe you are too young to remember Tarzan (Johnny Weissmüller). The system was developed in New Zealand and revised in England; now played by Simon de Wijs-Bauke Muller from the Netherlands.

WijsMuller. Got it?

Roland

[Walddk]

Double !, on Aug 30 2005, 07:27 AM, said:

I don't know, but my best guess is it means that, if one of the pairs on a team is playing a "highly unusual method" system and no one on the opposing team is playing a HUM (highly unusual method) system, then the team without any HUM pairs gets the final choice regarding which pairs from their team face which pairs from the opps team.

Correct, because the pair that chooses to play against the HUM pair is allowed to bring a written "open defence" to the table. They are permitted to have a look at the notes at any time during the match.

By giving that team the right to choose seating last, one nation only needs to let one pair concentrate on preparing an open defence. It's quite time consuming.

The normal precedure (no HUM pair) is to let the Home Team choose last, after they have seen which pair from the opposing team will be sitting where.

Roland

[jillybean]

Thanks, I had thought 'all pairs play all pairs' in these tournaments, I didn't realise you can chose who plays who for the duration.

[Walddk]

jillybean2, on Aug 30 2005, 08:10 AM, said:

Thanks, I had thought 'all pairs play all pairs' in these tournaments, I didn't realise you can chose who plays who for the duration.

No, in a teams event like the Bermuda Bowl, Venice Cup & Senior Bowl you play against all other 21 teams (Round-Robin). One team is only allowed to field 2 pairs at a time, one for the open and one for the closed room, so 1 pair will always be sitting out.

You do not know which pairs the opponents are going to play until rather late before the match begins. If it's the first match of the day, the line-ups must be handed in the evening before. Between matches 1 & 2 and 2 & 3 the procedure is normally 1-2 hours before the start of the next match (varies from event to event, depending on how long a break there is between matches).

All this is in the hands of the NPC (Non Playing Captain). (S)he often confers with the players before deciding the line-up.

Roland

[joker_gib]

I did not know that HUM were permitted in the Bermuda Bowl !

Is there at least a pair playing this kind of system ?

Alain

[helene_t]

Double !, on Aug 30 2005, 07:19 AM, said:

What in the world is "Tarzan Precision"? Beat on your chest several times, scream, and then bid 1 club?

Symmetric Relay Precision, basically.

[Chamaco]

joker_gib, on Aug 30 2005, 08:00 AM, said:

I did not know that HUM were permitted in the Bermuda Bowl !

Is there at least a pair playing this kind of system ?

Alain

If HUMs were not allowed in the top World event, HUMs would not exist at all !

[Walddk]

helene_t, on Aug 30 2005, 10:08 AM, said:

Symmetric Relay Precision, basically.

The Muller-de Wijs convention card (without system notes) can be found at:

http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files...ller-dewijs.pdf

Roland

[FrancesHinden]

pbleighton, on Aug 29 2005, 09:04 PM, said:

Thanks!

I counted 26 pairs, all playing some kind of "non-natural" system. How many pairs are playing in total, and do you know generally what the rest are playing, in general - is it mostly 5 card majors and strong NT?

Peter

The English team all play fairly natural systems, but two of the pairs (I think) play 4 card majors - the Hacketts certainly do.

[MickyB]

All three English pairs (Gold-Townsend, Price-Simpson, Hackett-Hackett) play 4 card majors with either a 14-16 or 15-17 NT.

[Free]

Walddk, on Aug 30 2005, 05:42 AM, said:

pbleighton, on Aug 30 2005, 04:04 AM, said:

I counted 26 pairs, all playing some kind of "non-natural" system.  How many pairs are playing in total

22 teams of 3 pairs in all 3 series: Open, Women, Seniors. For full BBO vugraph (provisional) schedule:

http://online.bridge...ph/schedule.php

For systems:
http://www.ecatsbridge.com/Events/wbf/2005...ril/default.asp

Roland

The new convention cards aren't online yet. Is there any way to get them already? I'm especially interested in the MOSCITO conventioncards

[PMetsch]

It works for me at this location:

http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/docde...onvention+Cards

[Double !]

Walddk, on Aug 30 2005, 12:44 AM, said:

Double !, on Aug 30 2005, 07:19 AM, said:

What in the world is "Tarzan Precision"?   Beat on your chest several times, scream, and then bid 1 club?

Maybe you are too young to remember Tarzan (Johnny Weissmüller). The system was developed in New Zealand and revised in England; now played by Simon de Wijs-Bauke Muller from the Netherlands.

WijsMuller. Got it?

Roland

Thank you, Roland, for thinking that I am young. But, I am very familiar not only with Johnny Weismuller (wasn't he an olympic swimmer or diver at one point?), but also with Ron Ely who played Tarzan on a TV Tarzan series in the states during the 60s. (I also briefly knew a couple of Ely's cousins: long story). But alas, i saw 40 come and go more than 15 years ago.