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Karen McCallum knocks 2/1, likes Polish Club Why?

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Posted 2005-August-31, 14:51

mikeh, on Aug 31 2005, 03:48 PM, said:

We finished, if memory serves, one-two, having spent no more than 20 minutes pre game discussing bidding methods. Why? Because we all knew each other's style, likes and dislikes and thinking process from having played with (as teammates) and against each other for years.

Or maybe because you guys were so much better than everyone else. This was a sectional? Tough crowd...
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Posted 2005-August-31, 15:01

FrancesHinden, on Aug 31 2005, 03:18 PM, said:

mike777, on Aug 31 2005, 12:01 PM, said:

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I don't know the full answer to this question.
However, if I look at the entry list for this year's English Trials I see that 13 teams have entered, containing

19 regular partnerships
4 non-regular partnerships (3 of them involving a sponsor)
3 pairs whose normal partnerships I personally don't know

If I look at the results from the Brighton Swiss Pairs just held, I see that of the top 10 places

7 were regular partnerships (including the winners for the second year running)
2 were pairs of experts who don't usually play with each other
1 was a pair I don't know

I'm not looking at the big teams events, because by the time you've got to the final of, say, the Gold Cup you'll be a partnership with a lot of agreements even if you didn't start out that way!

I think it possible that more fuss is made when a pickup partnership wins an event because that is considered notable. If Meckwell win the Spingold/Vanderbilt/Rosumblum that isn't considered news.

As for how many there are worldwide, I don't know. There are pairs at my club who've been playing together for 20 years, but they don't have a large number of explicit agreements.

thanks for response, 26 long term pairs in 2 of the UK major events seems like a very small number if we extrapolate around the world.

A guess of 500 long term pairs in top team matches and a different 500 pairs in top pair games for USA seems on the high side. A lot of the top players play more pick up style in the pair games.

A very small number?
Let me re-interpret the figures I just gave you.

At least 19/26 (over 70%) of the pairs entering the trials are regular partnerships
At least 70% of the top 10 places in the Brighton Swiss pairs are regular partnerships

If we extrapolate round the world then...

I don't know what percentage of everyone playing at Brighton was a regular partnership, because after the top 50 or so places the percentage of people I don't know starts getting quite high.

I would say from my figures that a large proportion of the top UK pairs are regular partnerships (don't tell me entering the trials doesn't make you a top pair, I know it doesn't, but I think a majority of the top pairs enter).

hmmm seems misunderstanding here.

I started out saying very small number of partnerships are 1) long term with 2) detailed agreements. My guess was 2000-5000 pairs. I am talking absolute numbers out of 25 million bridge players not percentages or percentages of pairs showing up to play the event.

I think 26 or 126 pairs is a tiny number for the huge bridge playing country of the UK. Just as the number in the usa seems very tiny.
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