I recall reading (probably in this newsgroup or RGB )that a 2NT opener
20-22 HCP will have 20 HCP 60 percent of the time.
That doesnt feel intuitive.
Can someone please clarify either way ?
Note: Am cross-posting to RGB forums as well
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HCP distributution in a 2NT opener 20-22 2NT
#2
Posted 2005-September-01, 01:46
This sounds about right. Everything else being equal, you're more likely to have a number of points close to ten. You can see from experience that hands with 12 points, say, are VERY common, whereas hands with 0 points or 20 points are few and far between. So not all numbers of points are created equal, it follows something vaguely resembling a bell-shape curve with 10 (the average) being most common.
So it won't surprise you that the probabilities of holding different numbers of points look like:
20: 0.64% of hands
21: 0.38% of hands
22: 0.21% of hands
For comparison:
9: 9.36% of hands
10: 9.41% of hands
11: 8.94% of hands
Okay, let's suppose we have a 20-22 notrump. If we could open any 20-22 point hand in this range, the probability of exactly 20 points is equal to:
Pr[20 points given 20-22] = Pr[20 points] / Pr[20 or 21 or 22] = 0.64% / 1.23% or 52%.
Of course, this may be adjusted slightly by the knowledge that opener must have a balanced hand, but this honestly shouldn't be a big effect.
P.S. Thanks to the ZAR book for the hcp probabilities.
So it won't surprise you that the probabilities of holding different numbers of points look like:
20: 0.64% of hands
21: 0.38% of hands
22: 0.21% of hands
For comparison:
9: 9.36% of hands
10: 9.41% of hands
11: 8.94% of hands
Okay, let's suppose we have a 20-22 notrump. If we could open any 20-22 point hand in this range, the probability of exactly 20 points is equal to:
Pr[20 points given 20-22] = Pr[20 points] / Pr[20 or 21 or 22] = 0.64% / 1.23% or 52%.
Of course, this may be adjusted slightly by the knowledge that opener must have a balanced hand, but this honestly shouldn't be a big effect.
P.S. Thanks to the ZAR book for the hcp probabilities.
Adam W. Meyerson
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#3
Posted 2005-September-01, 02:44
That calculation is right.
If you want to get picky, and define a 2NT opener as 20-22 HCP with distributions
- any 4432
- any 4333
- any 5332
- any 6322 with a 6-card minor
- any 5422 without both majors
(which is about how I play it, obviously you can be more or less strict, and some people allow singleton honours and/or 4441s)
then 20 HCP = 0.41%, 21 = 0.24%, 22=0.14%
and the relative frequencies are unchanged.
In my case, the percentage of 20 counts is a little higher, because the range is slightly better put as:
20-22 4432
20-22 4333
20-21 5332 / 6332 6-card minor/ 5422 without both majors
which makes a 20 count about 56%, and 20-21 about 89%
(I seldom upgrade 19-counts)
If you want to get picky, and define a 2NT opener as 20-22 HCP with distributions
- any 4432
- any 4333
- any 5332
- any 6322 with a 6-card minor
- any 5422 without both majors
(which is about how I play it, obviously you can be more or less strict, and some people allow singleton honours and/or 4441s)
then 20 HCP = 0.41%, 21 = 0.24%, 22=0.14%
and the relative frequencies are unchanged.
In my case, the percentage of 20 counts is a little higher, because the range is slightly better put as:
20-22 4432
20-22 4333
20-21 5332 / 6332 6-card minor/ 5422 without both majors
which makes a 20 count about 56%, and 20-21 about 89%
(I seldom upgrade 19-counts)
#5
Posted 2005-September-01, 14:25
So you don't open with 18 very often
Wayne Burrows
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