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#1 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted 2025-March-24, 17:39

For clarification;

Fouled board
A board where one or more cards were returned to the wrong slot.
Or, in a game with multiple sections, a board of the same number differed in vulnerability or dealer between sections.

ACBLSCORE handles FOULED board, the Director does not need to know the mathematical equation. :)

Skipped / Not Played
Same term for a board scheduled to play, but not played.

If there is any chance the board will be played later, the Director can use L (late) rather than N (not played)

A board "not played" is the mathematical equivalent of giving the pair their session average. (this seems to be a contentious point)
So if you were scheduled to play this against the weakest pair in the game, and may get a top, you lose.
If you were scheduled to play this against the strongest pair, you win.

Not played should be used in extreme cases, ie civil and medical emergency and not for slow play, late pair.

For all other reasons, the Director should adjust the board awarding an Artificial Adjusted Score.
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Posted 2025-March-25, 18:22

bump - I'm looking for someone to clarify my understanding. And while you are here, could you fix the title please.
thanks
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Posted 2025-March-25, 19:48

I'm confused. You've stated facts, which all seem correct enough, but ask no questions.


Also I can fix the title (I think), but I'd need to know what the question is to get the title right. Unless you just want the misspelling caught.
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Posted 2025-March-25, 20:54

All good ty
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Posted 2025-March-26, 12:52

The way I used to do late plays was to enter LP in ACBLScore, and then just before the end of the penultimate round remind the people who have the late play of it, and ask the table which is going to play that board in the last round to play it first. Then, as soon as the board becomes available set it up on an idle table, ready for the players. If either pair now leaves without playing, the board gets an artificial adjusted score, the pair(s) that left get Avg-, if one pair stayed and was ready to play they get Avg+. The one time the table who played the board in the last round failed to play it first (in fact, they played it last) I gave them a warning that there would be a MP penalty for failure to follow the instructions of the TD if it happened again.
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Posted 2025-March-26, 14:08

I like Blackshoe's pattern; and use it. Note: "NO PLAY" in the Bridgemates gets pulled into ACBLScor as LATE, so you get that "for free". And the reason to mark it LATE is that ACBLScor will remind you pretty much any time you enter any scores "there's a late play", just in case you forget!

However, one of the joys of a dealing machine is that you frequently have multiple sets of boards (for your webs or your (no-)relay-byes or your second section or whatever) and sometimes you don't need all the sets you made. Now you have a copy of the board to put at that idle table, and don't have to worry about "play this one first".

Or, of course, you haven't done this, but you do have the machine up and hot during the game (because you're making boards for Thursday?) and you can rattle off another copy While You Wait and put that on the idle table.

If you do only have one copy of the board, I would encourage you to start requesting players to "play this one first" at the penultimate round if possible. It could very easily be that that boardset is hard, and the round 8 pairs *also* go late on it - whether too late to start it or just late enough that you *can't* get the last table to play it first doesn't much matter. In that case, at least it's another board that isn't ready to go/has to be played late.

I would make one difference to Blackshoe's pattern, because I prefer being obnoxious at the time to having the game delayed and penalizing people for doing so (or "penalizing for failing to accede to the Director's commands" or whatever). So, I stand at the table, and I hand them the boards in the "right" order, and I tell them to play this board first. Then, when the other pair come back from the bathroom (especially if they're N-S) and switch the boards, I'm right there to tell them again, "play this one first". "Why?" "Because I need it." "Okay." I'll stick around until the first call is on the table, too - yes, I have seen people pull out their cards, sort them, then when the director leaves, put it all back and "play the right board".

(I think I'd also penalize them in a different way if they deliberately ignored my instructions and my patterning - especially if I watched them start the board and then they put it away when I left.. I come to pick up the board 6 or so minutes into the round (or if I'm playing, after *my table* finishes the first board). If they're playing another one, I'll just pick it up and walk off with it. If they tell me they haven't played it yet, well, then, "I told you to play it first so I could take it. You didn't, too late now." I guarantee that that "penalty" will be considered worse than any MP adjustment I give, and they're less likely to ignore me next time!)
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Posted 2025-March-27, 03:33

I like that last bit! B-)
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