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A better approach to strong 2C hands?

#21 User is online   jillybean 

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Posted Yesterday, 13:30

The dreaded transfer to my singleton


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Posted Yesterday, 15:13

Not the luckiest of deals, partner has 2 of the outstanding 18 HCP and five hearts with none of the other three honours.
But could be worse, and I think we would land on our feet after 2.
If South decides that discretion is the better part of valour and passes then partner will bid 2 Red flag, over which I have a difficult decision between 2NT and 3NT, but probably play safe.
If South risks a two-suited overcall then they are going to play 3M doubled.
Not so confident we would land on our feet after 1 and 2 by South, especially if North is of the school that responds hearts.

3NT is making DD, although my hat is off to anyone who would have made it after your auction on a Q lead.
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Posted Yesterday, 15:50

View Postpescetom, on 2025-February-09, 15:13, said:

3NT is making DD, although my hat is off to anyone who would have made it after your auction on a Q lead.

Doesn't the contract somewhat make itself here? Crossing to the queen of diamonds and taking a natural looking finesse gets 9 tricks.
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Posted Yesterday, 17:34

I made the contract. WTP?
The lead was an unusual 8 but I don't think it matters
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Posted Today, 01:16

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-09, 13:30, said:

The dreaded transfer to my singleton



It is a safe bet that is where any transfer would go :)
As I said elsewhere I panicked once and passed the transfer. Scored ok but accepting and making scored better - obviously in my case was quite difficult judging by the scores - it was about minisimising damage
At least you have the Ace
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Posted Today, 02:38

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-09, 13:30, said:

The dreaded transfer to my singleton




Does everyone force game with the West hand?
2C 2H 2nt
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Posted Today, 04:30

View Postjillybean, on 2025-February-09, 13:30, said:

The dreaded transfer to my singleton



Your problem here is "opening" 2NT with a singleton. You should never do that even it is an ace. If partner has 0 HCP he will pass the completion.

What I would do will be
2 - 2 (waiting)
3 (showing 5 unless 4441C) - 3 (no longer forcing, can be passed)
4 (natural) - 4 (delayed support)
5 (game looks likely) - all pass.
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Posted Today, 12:41

First, let me note that I am at least 95% in the "don't open NT with a major singleton honour" camp. I don't like playing 2M (or in this case, 3M) in the 5-1 fit, or game in the 6-1. I very much understand the "I don't have a rebid that isn't a worse lie if I don't" people; I just disagree about how often it is worse.

Having said that (and my post above where I said that my "least lie" is an (expected) 18-"21" 3 jump shift)(*), there are some small issues with your idea:
  • 2 then 3 wrongsides any diamond contract (and more than zero NT contracts). Here, it "isn't a problem", but half the time the queen's not in the right place...
  • Two-suiters, without tools, are a reason to *avoid 2*, as 3NT is way too close if there's no (or a minor) fit after you've described your hand. Here, of course, it's guaranteed to be in the rear-view, but you're going to show that anaemic (for a 22-count) 5-4 in the minors anyway.
  • In what world, after 2 and a non-negative response, is responder's first real bid NF? How do I investigate slam in my suit? Or is 2 "8+, 5+, even if it's Q9xxx"? (In which case, you're wrongsiding even more hands!) Frankly, after 2-2 Immediate Double Negative, we should still be forced to 2NT or suit rebid/agreement (especially if it's "zero controls", where it could be a 12 count, but even if it's played as "A, K, QQ, or 6 HCP" or the like).
  • If it is NF, what does responder do with 4414 and the same strength? Surely not 3. Or 4324? or 4315? Surely not 3. I guess 3NT then. Whoops, wrongsided again.
  • 2, then 3 is how you handle the marmic club hands? And 3M is NF? How do you ever find 4-4 major fits? I know you want to have real suits when you bid them, but using the *highest possible* call as your "least lie" - seems inefficient.
  • But it's okay, you don't have 4441, you have 3154. I assume that if 3 is NF, so is 4 - clearly the implication from your post is that 4 can be passed. But "game looks likely" with "delayed support"? Even if that was, say 4522? "Delayed support" in this auction is "preference" - "yeah, plays better in diamonds than in clubs." It's not necessarily actual support.
  • "At matchpoints, 5 is an invite." It is highly unlikely that (and it will usually be obvious when) 11 tricks in diamonds exist without 9 tricks in NT. When both contracts make, it is very likely that 10 tricks in NT are there - even if there are 12 in the minor, 3NT still wins.
  • Sure, at IMPs, safer contract. but it has to be safer.


Frankly, the last one is the biggest issue. Because:
And you even get the 3-2 diamond break (which, I do agree, on this hand is probably needed for 3NT to come in).

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