[cencio]

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opener sud

[jillybean]

seeing all hands
1♣ (1♠) X (3♠)
...

[smerriman]

Maybe 1♣ - (1♠) - hesitation 2♦ - (3♠) - 4♦, something.. hard to stay unbiased seeing both hands on this one.

[jillybean]

smerriman, on 2025-January-06, 13:18, said:

Maybe 1♣ - (1♠) - hesitation 2♦ - (3♠) - 4♦, something.. hard to stay unbiased seeing both hands on this one.

Interesting, which of the red suits is the best fib?

[mw64ahw]

jillybean, on 2025-January-06, 13:13, said:

seeing all hands
1♣ (1♠) X (3♠)
...

Ditto - 6♣

[Cyberyeti]

We could bid 1♣-(1♠)-2♠ which with our methods would show an exactly 3 card club raise and at least 10 points, unsuitable for any other bid so not 4♥, not 4♣, not 5♦ no spade stop so likely 4small333 or 3343.

Otherwise I'm not unhappy with x.

[mike777]

Getting pretty difficult for novice, beginning level bridge lessons
Opening bids
Overcalls
Negative doubles
Preemptive raises
Rebid at 4 level????

Whatever happened to what is the difference between suits and no trump?
How cards in a deck? In a suit?
Counting? What is that?
Must I always follow suit?
🤔

[mikeh]

I think reaching any slam is going to be problematic but doable if west overcalls and east bounces to 3S. The route most likely to lead to slam is a 2D bid by north, over which south has an enormous hand (I’d bid 4S over 3S). However, that doesn’t make me a fan of 2D, promising 4+. I’d opt for the possibly less successful double, which of course lies about the heart length just as 2D lies about that suit.

In my main partnership, after double (3S), south doubles to show extra values and fewer than 4 hearts. North has a great hand…the auction suggests south has a stiff spade so is no worse than 1=3=4=5. Construct hands with that shape that hold significant extras (opener expects to make game opposite most hands and to be able to beat 3S of responder has defensive values) and you’ll see how strong the north hand is. Say x Qxx KQxx AKQxx is the sort of hand opener should have for the double. He won’t be upgrading a stiff spade honour lower than the ace.

I’m not sure how the auction might go….I suspect we’d end up in clubs (opener could easily be, say, x Qxx KQx AKQxxx), but I can’t be objective.

If opener’s double isn’t ‘takeout’ then it’s far murkier. Maybe opener could guess either 3N (!) or 4C over 3S. I’d expect a 7th club for 3N so 4C is most likely. That should still get responder excited. So I do think that reaching slam is likely but I suspect non-experts to often struggle.