[Bill Hook]

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My partner a I play 5-card major system, Strong NT (15-17) and 1C may be short.

I opened 1C with above hand (passed Rule of 20).
When partner responded 1H, showing his 4-card major, I responded 2C showing 5 clubs and minimum hand
- my understanding is that a 2D rebid would show 16+ HCP (above the barrier).

Partner's rebid was 2D.
Thinking he had a 4-card diamond suit and as few as 6 HCP I passed.

Both 3NT and 5D are makeable contracts with the above hands.

Advice on how best to reach game contract would be appreciated.

[mw64ahw]

There are many ways to force here, but perhaps the most straightforward is to play Walsh style where you bid ♦ and reverse into ♥ with a GF/GI hand and play as above with a weaker one offering a choice of suits.

My esoteric approach playing an unbalanced ♦ starts with
1♦ 3+ - 1♠ GI
1N 543x - 2♥ 6♦4♥

[Bill Hook]

mw64ahw, on 2024-November-21, 04:55, said:

There are many ways to force here, but perhaps the most straightforward is to play Walsh style where you bid ♦ and reverse into ♥ with a GF/GI hand and play as above with a weaker one offering a choice of suits.

My esoteric approach playing an unbalanced ♦ starts with
1♦ 3+ - 1♠ GI
1N 543x - 2♥ 6♦4♥

Thanks for your response but I don't know if I'm reading it correctly.
Are you suggesting that North should open 1D rather than 1C ? I don't understand why.
And South's responds 1S ? How is this bid Game invitational ?

In response to my 1NT rebid you say partner's 2H shows 6♦4♥
- is this bid game forcing and would you (North) choose 3NT or 5D ?


I'm not up to speed on the Walsh Club Convention - if I read up on it I might understand you better.

[johnu]

With a game forcing hand, (yes, I would force to game with the South hand), responder should respond in their longest suit, 1♦, planning to show hearts later.

That being said, the 2♦ rebid should be considered as forcing, ie third suit forcing (3rd suit forcing The example in the link is the same auction that you had.

[johnu]

mw64ahw, on 2024-November-21, 04:55, said:

There are many ways to force here, but perhaps the most straightforward is to play Walsh style where you bid ♦ and reverse into ♥ with a GF/GI hand and play as above with a weaker one offering a choice of suits.

Standard bidding is to respond 1♦, Walsh or not.

[awm]

I know this is too simple for modern bidders but:

1♣-1♦ (bidding my longest suit)
2♦-2♥ (supporting with support, 2♥ control showing)
2nt-3nt (showing the spade cards and responder bids game)

I suppose responder could push for slam more and wind up in 5♦. But either game seems okay.

Bridge is a lot easier when you bid your suits in length order, but of course this is not the modern style.

[Bill Hook]

johnu, on 2024-November-21, 05:33, said:

Standard bidding is to respond 1♦, Walsh or not.

I take your point that South should respond 1D (forcing) and rebid hearts on round 2.

Re. 2♦ bid being 3rd suit forcing
- how should the bidding progress to game ?
- game in 3NT or 5D ?

Thanks for your advice.

[Bill Hook]

awm, on 2024-November-21, 05:57, said:

I know this is too simple for modern bidders but:

1♣-1♦ (bidding my longest suit)
2♦-2♥ (supporting with support, 2♥ control showing)
2nt-3nt (showing the spade cards and responder bids game)

I suppose responder could push for slam more and wind up in 5♦. But either game seems okay.

Bridge is a lot easier when you bid your suits in length order, but of course this is not the modern style.

Thanks for this advice.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#0 Opening the hand is ok, but is not matadory, due to a lack of rebid and due to the poor suit.
Switch the minors, and you have a rebid.

#1 assuming you play Walsh, i.e. you are bidding 4 card majors in favor of longer diamonds, you still start with diamonds,
if holding a game force. (*)
Has South a gameforce oppossite an opening? This has the partnership to answer, most would say yes, but see 0.

#2 Ending up in 2D is not brilliant, but it happens.
I am not very familar with Walsh, but I guess the seq. your p choose, showed longer diamonds and at most an inv. hand,
which he has, kind of, but see 2, so passing was ok.
Sometimes you end up in silly contracts.

(*) If 1H excludes inv. hands with longer diamonds, than obv. 1H is wrong.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mw64ahw]

johnu, on 2024-November-21, 05:33, said:

Standard bidding is to respond 1♦, Walsh or not.

Walsh style will show the Major first with a weak hand and Diamonds first followed by the Major with a GF/GI hand.


Standard shows the longest suit first, but not too sure whether this is still the majority approach given Transfer Walsh etc.

[jdiana]

One other thought is that North might have opened 1♦ to avoid a rebid problem. You can anticipate a 1♥ response and you're not strong enough to reverse into diamonds after a 1♣ opening. (Opener's 2♣ rebid should promise 6 cards.) Not sure that would be any smoother. Maybe:

1♦ - 1♥
2♣ - 2♠ (4th suit forcing)
2NT (♠ stopper) - 3NT or 3♦
3NT or 5♦ (if responder bid 3♦)?

[jillybean]

Enough of these others distractions, this:

awm, on 2024-November-21, 05:57, said:

I know this is too simple for modern bidders but:

1♣-1♦ (bidding my longest suit)
2♦-2♥ (supporting with support, 2♥ control showing)
2nt-3nt (showing the spade cards and responder bids game)

I suppose responder could push for slam more and wind up in 5♦. But either game seems okay.

Bridge is a lot easier when you bid your suits in length order, but of course this is not the modern style.