[Cyberyeti]

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Matchpoints, you'd like to ask for aces but can't be sure 4N is going to be interpreted that way

Now what ?

[jillybean]

4♣, force partner to show a preference for a suit, hopefully a Major. I'd fall off my chair if it was hearts.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2024-September-12, 14:55, said:

4♣, force partner to show a preference for a suit, hopefully a Major. I'd fall off my chair if it was hearts.

Thought about this, are you sure what 4♣-4♥-4♠ means if you play kickback ? Also 4♣-4any-4N ? and what are you going to do over the likely 4♦ ?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Your best bet is blasting 6H.

If you did hold 2 clubs, and a diamond void it may be a lot harder.

Dont ask me, what i would do in real life.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mw64ahw]

6♥ works, but can you find the grand?

I work on the principle that playing Kickback/Kickbo:
4♣ ♥ & ♠
4N ♦ & ♥
5♣ ♦ & ♠

Playing with a pick-up partner 4N is likely to be an Ace ask, but given North's X, vulnerability and your own hcp count, its is hard to envisage North not having at least 2 Aces to be worth the takeout X

A modified loser count approach suggests slam is on and possibly the grand so 5N pick as slam is a possibility. If you get ♦ back then a correction to ♥ should be passed.

4♣ as both Majors could have a 4♦ (x5+33) response and playing Kickback/Kickbo could be problematic if at some stage you bid 6♥

I'll bid 5N

[Cyberyeti]

mw64ahw, on 2024-September-13, 04:18, said:

6♥ works, but can you find the grand?

If partner doesn't raise with 3 aces, I look for a new partner

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-September-13, 02:32, said:

Thought about this, are you sure what 4♣-4♥-4♠ means if you play kickback ? Also 4♣-4any-4N ? and what are you going to do over the likely 4♦ ?

Kickback, without having detailed discussions and agreements, forces an arbitrary 6H bid.

4C 4x 4nt is key card

Over 4D can bid 4H and drag partner to 6or7?

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2024-September-13, 06:07, said:

Kickback, without having detailed discussions and agreements, forces an arbitrary 6H bid.

4C 4x 4nt is key card

Over 4D can bid 4H and drag partner to 6or7?

We have detailed discussions, but how do you make a slam try with a huge spade suit ? 4♣-4red-4♠ could easily be that.

4♣-4♦-4♥ is how you bid a 44M 13 count, partner is very likely to pass

While 4♣-4♦-4N may well be keycard, how do you bid a 3442 19 count over 4♣-4♠ ?

I took the pressure off partner and just bid 6♥ at the table

[mw64ahw]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-September-13, 04:20, said:

If partner doesn't raise with 3 aces, I look for a new partner

Would you X with 3 Aces and nought else?

[thepossum]

6 hearts is my first instinct

But why not 3H then advance to slam after that

[mikeh]

thepossum, on 2024-September-13, 07:15, said:

6 hearts is my first instinct

But why not 3H then advance to slam after that

Trick question. You hold xxx Qxxxx xx xx. (3C) x (P). Your bid?

Oh…you bid 3H?

Is that forcing?

[mikeh]

jillybean, on 2024-September-13, 06:07, said:

Kickback, without having detailed discussions and agreements, forces an arbitrary 6H bid.

4C 4x 4nt is key card

Over 4D can bid 4H and drag partner to 6or7?

In which universe is the sequence (3C) x (P) 4C (P) 4D (P) 4H forcing? It merely invites a choice between 4H and 4S.

You’ve fallen into the very common trap (I’ve fallen into myself on occasion) of thinking that your bids mean what you want them to mean rather than what bridge logic says they mean. See possum, who suggested responding 3H and then dragging partner to slam….my guess? He’ll be declaring 3H 99.999% of the time

The only call I can think of is 6H. Btw, I would not expect partner to raise to 7 with most hands where we’re cold…certainly not with something like Jxxx Axx AJxxx Ax. what would you bid, over partner’s double of 3C, with AQx KQJxxxxx xx void? Anything less than 6H looks timid to me and while the spade hook is probably onside, it’s not likely that you have no spade loser…you might have a squeeze, but it’s a terrible grand.

Also, since you have no reason to suspect that other players won’t face the same problem, you need to be very comfortable that most of the field is bidding grand. And they won’t be. Let me suggest that you are getting more matchpoints for 6H +1 than you’d get for 7H -1.

Now, imps…that’s a different story, since all that matters is what one other pair chooses.

[jillybean]

In my little universe, bidding forum problems, I often have the perfect bid.
It's fortunate these hands don't come up at the table too often.
6H

[Cyberyeti]

mikeh, on 2024-September-13, 08:22, said:

The only call I can think of is 6H. Btw, I would not expect partner to raise to 7 with most hands where we’re cold…certainly not with something like Jxxx Axx AJxxx Ax. what would you bid, over partner’s double of 3C, with AQx KQJxxxxx xx void? Anything less than 6H looks timid to me and while the spade hook is probably onside, it’s not likely that you have no spade loser…you might have a squeeze, but it’s a terrible grand.

I bid 5♣ on that hand.

[thepossum]

 mikeh, on 2024-September-13, 08:06, said:

Trick question. You hold xxx Qxxxx xx xx. (3C) x (P). Your bid?

Oh…you bid 3H?

Is that forcing?

After a double over a pre-empt and a pass I am hoping partner has something - its a bit like wanting to redouble partner but you can't
That was actually why my first instinct was 6H but was worried about missing something more
The honest answer is pick a bid and hope
What would 4c be interpreted as? forcing I would hope. I see cyber bid 5C. I thought 6C as possible too. 5NT?
You know I have a few basic bids and principles and hope partner can make sense of it

[shyams]

 Cyberyeti, on 2024-September-13, 10:49, said:

I bid 5♣ on that hand.

It's a great bid. My only worry is that partner will interpret it as a void and might get hyper-excited.

[Cyberyeti]

 shyams, on 2024-September-13, 21:47, said:

It's a great bid. My only worry is that partner will interpret it as a void and might get hyper-excited.

That was a response to Mike's AQx KQJxxxxx xx void which has a void, I agree what it means, I bid 6♥ at the table