[flytoox]

The_Hog, on Jul 13 2005, 01:55 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jul 13 2005, 07:56 PM, said:

flytoox, on Jul 13 2005, 08:59 AM, said:

I dont think pd can do much if you pass. His 3C has clearly bid out his hand. In comparison, your 2C didnt fully discribe your hand. So I think opener should do sth rather than expect pd to act.

A correct evaluation of the situation. Pard might have already streched to bid 3♣, so it is very likely he'll aching to pass as soon as possible. Failure to draw this simple inference will, in all likelyhood, lead to letting the matter rest in 3♥ and a bad score.

Now is the time to assume one's responsibilities and bid

The scoring is Imps. 5C not making, and especially when doubled will not be a result you would wish to bring back to the score up table. And again many have ignored the bidding! If you think your responsibilities are to bring back losing scores, well then who am I to argue....

SO I suppose you prepared excuses when opps socre 5C= or 4Cx mk at the other table when opps scored 3H= at this table.

[MickyB]

5♣ isn't likely to make. Kxxx xx ATx Txxx may make it a good contract, but Qxxx KJx Kxx KQTx doesn't give you much chance.

[flytoox]

MickyB, on Jul 13 2005, 02:45 PM, said:

5♣ isn't likely to make. Kxxx xx ATx Txxx may make it a good contract, but Qxxx KJx Kxx KQTx doesn't give you much chance.

That is true. I never said 5C is the right bid. I even cannot remember I voted 4C or 5C. I just think pass is completely wrong here.


Actually, in IMPs I tend to think 5C is better than 4C.

[inquiry]

Perhaps Fred described this hand the best, when he said, 4♣ “This is a guess. My guess is 4C. My opponents never bid like this. ” I thought this might be interesting as a number of panelist were playing or kibitzing when this hand was played. And one of our missing panelist actually held this hand (but didn’t have this auction, which was the auction at my table).

Joining Fred with a 4♣ bid were the four other panelsit, making 4♣] the clear poll winner.

Dinos1 4C.”Showing hand suitable for 5♣ rather than for 3N. Say with xx in hearts I would Dbl as asking for heart stopper. If I double now partner will bid 4♣ with 3 kings (excluding heart one) leaving me in guess as to pass or raise to 5C. Over 4♣ he'll raise to 5 on 3 kings reasoning that I would bid 3♠with sAxx.”

reisig 4♣ ”(Too soft for game from my point of view) ”

ng 4♣ ”The key is West's first pass. I guess West has a weak 2♥ with 4 spades (or void in clubs) and from his perspective it was dangerous to miss a spade contract. The other possibility that West wanted to find a good save is not in the picture because he does not know North's strength. I have an extra club, partner has 8-11 points with 2-3 clubs, but to 5♣ we need the right cards. There is some danger: it's possible that 4♥ is OK for opps. If they bid it, I won't be happy. “

cherdano 4[cl\.”If we have agreed to freely raise to 2♠ with 3-card support, then 3♠ would be a good alternative -- but I don't think we can assume this. Opponents' bidding is a bit inconsistent, but it looks like they have found a good spot.

Predictably Luis, looking at the vul and being close, blasted to game. I have to admit that when I held this hand on this auction I did the same. Joining the no=holds barred bid=em if you got em club was Roland.

Luis 5c, since 3c is non-forcing I don't need to care about a possible slam. I like the chances we may have in 5c, all my cards are very good ones. Pd may have something like Kxxx,xxx,Kxx,Kxx

Walddk 5♣ ”I bid what I think (hope) I can make. I am the one with the singleton heart, so 4♣ will lead nowhere and is merely competitive. Partner is looking at 2 heart losers (at least).

Two panelist found a bid I didn’t consider.

FLUFFY Double, this is very close, double to show limit values seems the right bid since we have 5 losers, and partner's weak raise should give us 2-3 tricks making game possible. Sadly this can be missunderstood, specially if opponents have an unsurprising hidden 11 card fit. With a partner without confidence I would just bid 4♣.

Ritong double "do you stop ♥s?" and if they lead a ♦ then a ♥ through, i'll send " wdos"..

And Poky bid 3♠ for the third hand in a row, explaining. “3♠, In my standard partnerships I would bid an automatic double as pure takeout with short hearts. Since I suppose this isn't a common treatment, I'll bid 3♠hoping partner can bid 3NT.

With five votes, 4♣ gets 100. With two votes each, I slightly upgraded 5♣ (80 points) compared to double (70 points), but only because everyone else was bidding clubs.. 3♠ scored 50.

[mike777]

I see I got another zero.
I see "fought the law" also says bid 5clubs.
13-3+1=11tricks.
13=total tricks
-3=combined 2 short suits between both hands.
+1=22-24 working hcp =plus one adjustment.

The "law" seems to be off on this hand
10 trumps plus 10 trumps plus positive one adjustment for long 7 card suit=21 total tricks. But only 18 total tricks 11+7

3hx=300
4hx=500

Edit I note that the opp hands also confirm to "fought the law"
13-4-2=7 tricks
13=total tricks
-4=combined 2 shortest suits
-2=13-15 working hcp=negative 2 adjustment.

[luis]

I think Henri evaded this one, I'm sure he will bid 5♣ regardless of pd's bid in his next turn. As he said it's good to be considered a barbarian.
I also would like to know what Roland did/drank/smoke between the problem where he bid only 2♠ and this one where he bids 5♣ :-)

[Walddk]

luis, on Jul 13 2005, 09:11 PM, said:

I think Henri evaded this one, I'm sure he will bid 5♣ regardless of pd's bid in his next turn. As he said it's good to be considered a barbarian.
I also would like to know what Roland did/drank/smoke between the problem where he bid only 2♠ and this one where he bids 5♣ :-)

I can't remember. Most likely I was drinking (diet coke of course!) and smoking at the same time :-)

Seriously, I mean what I wrote. LHO warned me when I signed off in 2♠ - 5♣ is what I think I can make on hand D, so I bid it, just like I would at the table. I was not there when the hand was played, so I am not biased.

Roland

[Elianna]

Contestant's answers:
5♣ 12
4♣ 7
3♠ 5
pass 2
dbl 1
4♥ 1
4♦ 1