[inquiry]

Scoring: IMP

BPO-OO4C
West   North   East  South
Pass  Pass (1♥) 1♠
(1NT) 2♥ Pass   ?

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[badderzboy]

I bid 3♣ to show a second suit and a little more than minimum and happy to compete to 3♠.

Steve

[hrothgar]

BP0-004C: 4S

So, what IS the difference between a 2H and 2NT cue bid? Logically,
2NT should show 4 card trump support and (potentially) a higher ODR.
Which means that 2H shows 3 Hearts. In either case, partner should be
sitting on roughly 8 losers. His eight plus my 6 strongly suggest
that a 4S game has a decent shot. With this said and done the 1NT bid
does give some cause for concern. RHO is red so he probably
doesn't have a preemptive heart raise.

I see two reasonable bids with this hand:

1. Bid 3C and help partner make an intelligent decision regarding
whether or not to bid a close game
2. Bid an immediate 4S and make the defense as rough as possible for
the opponents

If parter had bid 2NT I'd happily blast to 4S, firmly convinced that
this is the best bid. As it is, I'm still bidding 4S. Pinpointing
the defense via a 3C game try is too dangerous. However, I'm much
less convinced that this is the right course of action.

[P_Marlowe]

3C, game try.

Marlowe

[ochinko]

P_Marlowe, on Jul 12 2005, 03:28 PM, said:

3C, game try.

Marlowe

Ouch! This suggests about 15 pts in these vulns, with 5:4. Partner will be happy to bid 3NT with

xx
KJx
QTxx
Axx

The lead from RHO is a small diamond

Petko

[MickyB]

Ochinko - I think 2♥ by a passed hand must promise a fit.

I tried creating hands for partner. Assuming you have a trump loser, I think partner needs a pretty perfect hand to make 4♠ a good contract. My call was 2♠, but maybe 3♠ would have been better.

[helene_t]

ochinko, on Jul 12 2005, 02:45 PM, said:

Partner will be happy to bid 3NT with

xx
KJx
QTxx
Axx

Partner's 2♥ showed 3+ spades support (some would say exactly 3). With this hand (with a club added to make 13 cards), he could have doubled 1NT (or passed).

[ochinko]

MickyB, on Jul 12 2005, 03:51 PM, said:

Ochinko - I think 2♥ by a passed hand must promise a fit.

I tried creating hands for partner. Assuming you have a trump loser, I think partner needs a pretty perfect hand to make 4♠ a good contract. My call was 2♠, but maybe 3♠ would have been better.

My fault. I misread the bidding. Thought 2H were from LHO.

Petko

[whereagles]

3♣ for me, hoping this is some sort of game-try with club values.

By the way, why didn't I bid a straight 2 or 3♠ the first round?

[HeartA]

badderzboy, on Jul 12 2005, 07:04 AM, said:

I bid 3♣ to show a second suit and a little more than minimum and happy to compete to 3♠.

Steve

you are not alone.

[Double !]

I chose 3 clubs, too.

I felt that this was a very difficult hand to evaluate due to lho's 1NT bid (which might be a psyche) and the question of where the hearts are on this hand. I and most players from the states that I know play that the cue bid shows a limit raise of some sort (we can discuss whether it shows 3 or 4-card support/ some play 2NT = 4-card support). So, I don't know if I have 5 or 6 likely losers in my hand given lho's 1NT bid (if legit, it is likely showing the supported queen. But if he doesn't have heart support, how many hearts does that leave P? Any honors will be led through (rho didn't dbl 2H). So I still think I am too good for simple 2 spade rebid, and 3 spades is meaningless to P. I'll try a help-needed game try. Seems to be consistent with my cards.

(Hey P: ya got anything good in clubs? No, go fish!)

[flytoox]

I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S.

I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do.

[mike777]

3C

Maybe partner's hand is:

XXX
XXXX
AQXX
AX

Interesting debate over 1s versus 2s overcall after p=p=1h=?

[luke warm]

i chose 2♠ because i have a minimum hand with 6 spades..

[bearmum]

I bid 2♠ Minimum hand ( surely P has max 3♠s ) and 6 Spades

[MickyB]

flytoox, on Jul 12 2005, 11:15 PM, said:

I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S.

I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do.

Interesting, I was considering 3♠ as a preemptive action...

[pclayton]

3C. Without the 1N call I'd just chance 4S and hope for the right cards or defense. Pard's cue usually shows 3 card support and unless LHO is joking, trumps aren't splitting 2-2. So he seems right to throttle back a little.

[Fluffy]

luke warm, on Jul 12 2005, 11:13 PM, said:

i chose 2♠ because i have a minimum hand with 6 spades..

2♠ shows a minimum with 5 ♠ (note that this means 7+, not 11+ since you don't sue weak 2's with 5 card suits)

[flytoox]

MickyB, on Jul 13 2005, 12:53 AM, said:

flytoox, on Jul 12 2005, 11:15 PM, said:

I bid 3S. MY hand is not min for 1S overcall, but not strong enough to jump to 4S.

I dont think 3C will gain you much information. 3S should show good spade suit and pd will know what to do.

Interesting, I was considering 3♠ as a preemptive action...

Not sure if 3S is defined preemptive in BBO advancec. But I think logically playing 3S as preemptive is wrong here. We have the spade suit, and they didnot find a fit. How could 3S be preemptive?

[whereagles]

bearmum, on Jul 12 2005, 11:54 PM, said:

I bid 2♠ Minimum hand ( surely P has max 3♠s ) and 6 Spades

I would hardly consider such an elegant 6-loser hand a "minimum", but ok