[jillybean]

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For starters, I am going to force you to play a 15-17 nt, no T-Walsh, otherwise you can use all your gadgets.

What is your plan?

[smerriman]

Surely 1♣, intending to rebid 1♠ (or I guess reverse into 2♠ if partner bids an unlikely 1N).. I presume the actual question comes later?

[jillybean]

1 ♣ 1R 1♠
What does this show in your system?

[smerriman]

4 clubs, 4 spades If R=♦, unbalanced; I think these days many play it also shows an unbalanced hand if R=♥, but I'm more old fashioned.

[DavidKok]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-19, 18:03, said:

[..] otherwise you can use all your gadgets.

Oh goodie. 1♣ intending to rebid 1♠ for me.

[P_Marlowe]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-19, 20:42, said:

1 ♣ 1R 1♠
What does this show in your system?

Unbal., i.e. at least 4+ clubs and 4+ spades.
Denying game going values.

With a bal. hand and 44 in the blacks I would either open NT
or rebid NT. This has nothing to do with T-Walsh.

[apollo1201]

When S is our secondary suit, rebid issues are virtually none (compare it to a 1435 hand).

The good intermediates and top honors will not be enough for me upgrade to a jump shift so it will be 1C / 1 red / 1S.

If partner bids 1NT, bidding 3NT is practical and not telling (do we want to show a shortage with a sg ace?). 1NT showed 8-10 and not 6-10 over 1C, IDK if it is still the same.

If partner bids 1S, we will have a heavy 3S, or pretend we are 5422 and bid game. Or splinter in our sg ace but lots of experts avoid this to avoid partner losing hope when they have KQ in the suit, the perfect parking sport here for our small D when we control the suit with the A).

[thepossum]

1NT
If partner has a spade fit we find it easily
On another day maybe a reverse

I accept it looks too strong for NT but then again not

[Cyberyeti]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-19, 20:42, said:

1 ♣ 1R 1♠
What does this show in your system?

5+♣/4+♠ any hand without 4 card support less than a game force other than 4405 over 1♦

[mw64ahw]

Not much use to most of you, but I open this one 1♦ unbalanced.


If partner is weak with a 4-card Major they bid 1♥ and then 1♠ shows 3+ unlimited. Responder raises with 4+ and any other bid shows ♥.I then invite with 2N which shows the singleton ♥ and strength.

With 11+ responder bids 1♠ and this shape and strength is then resolved via 1N

[jillybean]

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[mycroft]

I play XYZ, and would bypass 1♠ to rebid NT with a balanced hand, so I trust partner. Close though. Would she invite with QJxxxx and both pointed Kings? Probably. How about KJxxxx and the ♠K and ♣9xxx? Even 9xx might work, without a diamond lead or with shortness.

But that's tools.

Of course, if you're one of those pairs who will auto-1♥ with QJxxxx and a stiff club, you'd better be passing. I don't know how they handle this, whether it's "invite light because not-invites could be too high already", or "pass 1♠, at least it's a 4-3 fit", or "assume it's 6 minimum and pay off sometimes". Then there are those who would have bid 2♥ the first time with that, I guess...

[P_Marlowe]

I would pass.

Do you play weak jump shifts? Do we play MP (which would favor pass) or IMP (a red game)?

[jillybean]

 P_Marlowe, on 2024-April-20, 09:23, said:

I would pass.

Do you play weak jump shifts? Do we play MP (which would favor pass) or IMP (a red game)?

No WJS and it’s a club game. MP
Travelling, will post more soon

[DavidKok]

Over the 1♣ opening in particular I used to play the direct 2♦ (multi) and also 2M jump shifts (very weak) specifically to avoid having problems with extras and an unbalanced hand (and the 18-19 bal hand with a doubleton). Even disregarding that, 1♥ shows some values (7+ or 8+ depending on style) in Dutch Doubleton.

Either way I don't like XYZ on this start - 2♣ is somewhat likely to be our best contract, and we have plenty of ways to invite alreay. So 4SGF is, in my opinion, better.

Ignoring all the above, I think it is really valuable to split your 6(+)cM responses to 1m into three ranges: 4-7 (weak), 8-11 (invitational), 12+ GF, as always with some lenience for up- and downgrades when you feel it is appropriate. I recommend putting one through the direct route and one through the slow route to 2M, so that opener does not have rebid problems. In particular, it is the unbalanced hands with shortage in responder's suit - a common hand type on an uncontested auction with a long major opposite - that need extra help in deciding what to do by the 2M level.

[jillybean]

Before I continue the auction above, Id like to ask a question about a t-Walsh auction

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After opener broke the transfer, is a 1nt rebid my responder to play?

[mikeh]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-20, 18:18, said:

Before I continue the auction above, Id like to ask a question about a t-Walsh auction

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After opener broke the transfer, is a 1nt rebid my responder to play?

Test

Sometimes people make the game far more complicated than it is. What else could 1N be? Seriously?

[mikeh]

 DavidKok, on 2024-April-20, 01:23, said:

Oh goodie. 1♣ intending to rebid 1♠ for me.

Test

It means whatever a non transfer sequence of 1C 1H 1S means in your partnership. Nothing more, nothing less. See my post on another thread about the tendency of players learning new gadgets to turn simple bidding problems into mystery. Why?

[Tramticket]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-20, 08:32, said:

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We play 1C-2H as weak (about 4-8, six-card suit), so 1C-1H; 1S-2H is about 9-11, with a six-card suit for us. We have the values for game and I might simply bid 4H, but I may as well bid the fourth suit on the way - maybe partner has Qxx in diamonds.

[P_Marlowe]

 jillybean, on 2024-April-20, 18:18, said:

Before I continue the auction above, Id like to ask a question about a t-Walsh auction

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After opener broke the transfer, is a 1nt rebid my responder to play?

I dont play T-Walsh, but encountered it.
Executing / Breaking the xfer should tell something about the holding opener has.
Executing should show 3+ (*), hence breaking denies 3 cards.
Bidding 1S should show an unbal. hand, this means, you end up with 4+ clubs, 4+ spades.
And if you open 1D with 44 in the minors, opener will have 5+ clubs, and if 5422,
at least on of his doubleton suits is missing an honor.

And 1NT is certainly to play.

(*) I think bidding 2H shows add. values, executing the xfer with 4 cards is possible
with the weak NT, but I am not sure about this one.