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Openign 4333 Hands Quick Poll

Poll: Openign 4333 Hands (12 member(s) have cast votes)

In your preferred methods, what might you open on a [4333] hand too weak for 1NT (choose all that apply)?

  1. Always pass (1NT covers the weakest 4333s) (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  2. 1S (i.e. four-card majors) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1H (i.e. four-card majors, xfer to 4-card major) (2 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  4. 1D (i.e. most precision versions) (5 votes [35.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.71%

  5. 1C (i.e. most Polish club versions) (4 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  6. Something else? (2 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

In your preferred methods, what might you open with [4333] and at least 18 points (choose all that apply)?

  1. 1NT (16-18 notrumps I guess? stronger?) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1S (i.e. four-card majors) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1H (i.e. four-card majors) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 1D (i.e. standard american) (2 votes [11.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  5. 1C (i.e. strong club, Polish, xfer walsh) (11 votes [64.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 64.71%

  6. 2NT (i.e. Meckwell precision) (2 votes [11.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  7. 2C (i.e. strong 2C, Mexican 2C) (1 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  8. 2D (i.e. multi w/strong option, Mexican 2D) (1 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  9. Pass (i.e. forcing pass) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   awm 

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Posted 2024-March-01, 06:23

Just curious how people like to open balanced hands. I've restricted to 4333 here (any four-card suit) because I know some people like preemptive openings with 4-4 in two suits.
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Posted 2024-March-01, 06:37

I am not sure what my preferred methods are, I have many :)

Some thoughts:
- I like weak nt in 1st/2nd but constructive (say 14-16) in 3rd/4th
- I have toyed with 13-15 throughout and opening 4-card majors with 11-12 (and pass with balanced hands without a 4-card major) but the experience is a bit meh. 11-12 bal with a 4-card major probably isn't frequent enough to justify sacrificing the inference that 1M is a 5-card suit. Maybe in a strong club system it would be more adequate.
- If we play strong NT with coded minors, I think I prefer to open 1♦ with the weak hands and 1♣ with the strong ones
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Posted 2024-March-01, 07:35

If too weak for 1N:

If 8-11 in 3rd/4th: 1♦
If 12-14 in 3rd/4th: 1♣
Else: Pass

If 18+:

If 20-22 in 1st/2nd: 1♦
Else: 1♣

Glad you started this thread!
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Posted 2024-March-01, 08:04

1NT opening 15-17, range violation extremely rare

If 4333 and <15 HCP
... 1C if 12-14 (almost always open a 12 count)
... Pass if 11 or lower (almost never open such a 11 count)

If 18-20 HCP (various hand types, not just 4333), open 2D.
... Shows a bal/semi-bal 18-20 hand & does not include any weak options.
... This is my preferred system, though haven't used it for over 10 years now

If 21-22 & 4333, open 2NT
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Posted 2024-March-01, 15:57

I voted lots because there isn't an option for "bid the four card suit" but then realised it's in the non-natural system discussion forum, so maybe not one I should answer, so deleted it.
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Posted 2024-March-01, 17:35

14-16 NT, with the 11-13 balanced in 1D and 17+ balanced in 1C (optionally with 2N as 19-20 to split the balanced hands range in 1C).
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Posted 2024-March-01, 18:10

It depends what the 4333 hand looks like
If playing a weak NT it is likely not very good
Maybe not even worth balancing - pass out

If its strong I would possibly consider a strong 1NT or an upgraded 2NT
Or my best minor
Or if playing 4 card majors maybe the 4-card major
I don't tend to pass with 18 points
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