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#1 User is offline   AL78 

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Posted 2023-June-19, 04:14



Swiss teams, playing 5CM strong NT, not 2/1, 1 opening could be short. What do you do here?
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Posted 2023-June-19, 04:47

I'd pass, though I don't like it much. I know plenty of people who would bid 1NT, which I think is reasonable as well.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 04:54

i have a bad 8 count opposite what might be a weak nt with no known fit - i pass.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 06:51



Now what?
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Posted 2023-June-19, 06:52

I would pass and see what happens. South might make a mistake or West might be able to rebid (we can handle almost any).

[Edit: written a minute before now what]
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Posted 2023-June-19, 06:57

AL78, on 2023-June-19, 06:51, said:

Now what?

I pass again, with same reasoning.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 07:35

View PostAL78, on 2023-June-19, 06:51, said:



Now what?

Pass.

At IMPs ob., at MP you could bid 4C, ..., you have a 9 card fit, partner will have no
wastage in spades, I am not to afraid of defending 4S.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 08:33

Pass, my values are too soft to make a call.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 08:56

I passed and this was the result:



We have 5 on. Thankfully teammates found 4 and made it which brought in a few imps, but I was wondering if anyone would have taken any action in the auction on my hand. It is yet another hand where opps compete to the three level and I get squeezed out.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 09:26

One has to listen to the auction.

Partner bid 3C voluntarily after you passed over 1S. He (or she) has at least 6 decent clubs and values in the red suits.

Then the opps bid to 3S. They have a minimum of eight and more often nine spades.

What does your partner’s hand look like?

More importantly, where are your values and how well do you think they mesh with partner’s?

Every card you have is ‘working’.

Weak hands with working cards should be upgraded. Stronger hands with values known not to be ‘working’ should be downgraded.

Change your hand slightly…make it Qxxx QJx Kxxx xx, and I’d happily pass 3S. On your actual hand 4C is clear and I’d be worried about missing game. However, I’m not sure I’d be able to bid 5C over 3S. Sometimes opps bid to 3S with only 8 spades between them.

Passing 3S shows a lack of understanding of how to listen to and interpret the bidding…and/or a lack of understanding of how to evaluate working cards.
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Posted 2023-June-19, 13:14

I think 4 is obvious. Partner has heard you pass twice and still bids 3. I guess you were scared of pushing them to 4 but that, to me, is thinking one step far ahead. You have to tell partner now that you have support and some values and bid 4. If you do not bid 4 now, and the opps. bid 4 you have lost your chance to show your hand.
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Posted 2023-July-10, 09:21

View Postmikeh, on 2023-June-19, 09:26, said:

.... On your actual hand 4C is clear and I’d be worried about missing game. However, I’m not sure I’d be able to bid 5C over 3S...

I agree with everything else, but I would bid 5 thinking that 6 is possible (Partner could have A in addition to actual hand), but not biddable.
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Posted 2023-July-11, 02:22

Am I the only person who might have bid more than one spade with that hand opposite a passed partner ?
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Posted 2023-July-11, 02:28

No, I would have gone with 2S, forgetting about the hearts.
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Posted 2023-July-12, 02:38

Pass of 3S was very soft. I have potentially working 8HCP and a likely ruffing value opposite a voluntary 3-level bid. Some would bid Zia 2C over 1S.
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