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Why can GIB open 3S

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Posted 2023-March-04, 05:32

Second hand in a recent Solitaire tournament but GIB couldn't open the hand as 3S. Any ideas?
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Posted 2023-March-04, 14:12

It's a known gap in GIB's database. It used to open this 3, but BBO changed the logic for preempts in 2017 to be "much more in line with what most bridge players would expect" [sic ;)]

In doing so, they introduced a gap where it won't bid 3 here due to it having 10 HCP, but also independently fails its original rules for opening at the 1 level which require more total points (it thinks it has 11, since it adds one for the diamond doubleton only; it requires 13 to open a 10 HCP hand 1).
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Posted 2023-March-05, 16:43

View Postsmerriman, on 2023-March-04, 14:12, said:

It's a known gap in GIB's database. It used to open this 3, but BBO changed the logic for preempts in 2017 to be "much more in line with what most bridge players would expect" [sic ;)]

In doing so, they introduced a gap where it won't bid 3 here due to it having 10 HCP, but also independently fails its original rules for opening at the 1 level which require more total points (it thinks it has 11, since it adds one for the diamond doubleton only; it requires 13 to open a 10 HCP hand 1).


J "done and gone" ?
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Posted 2023-March-05, 18:59

Not 100% sure what you mean, if you're asking about the value of Jx, its formula for total points is HCP + 1 per doubleton, 2 per singleton, 3 per void, minus 1 for each short suit containing an honor. So you can say it adds an extra point for Jx and Kx, but subtracts them both off again.
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Posted 2023-March-06, 16:30

I was thinking about Jdonn, who I understood was responsible for the 2016-17 "improvement" of GiB (my apologies to him if not).
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