[jillybean]

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What is your plan?

[pilowsky]

Double

[jillybean]

pilowsky, on 2023-February-16, 22:23, said:

Double

Illegal bid sorry

[pilowsky]

jillybean, on 2023-February-16, 22:47, said:

Illegal bid sorry

It's a shame - it would score well, but 4NT quantitative if dbl is unavailable.

[LBengtsson]

You could be lazy and bid 4♣ as Gerber, but I hope I am with a partner who enjoys constructive bidding and can help me find the grand slam. 2♦ transfer to 2♥ followed by 3♦ and see whether partner can support ♥s now. RKCB will then determine if partner has the 3 key cards, and (maybe) a ask for ♣K after (though that might not be needed) the loser disappears on the ♠A.

The first thing you need to find out is whether partner has support for your ♥ suit here imo. With 3 or 4 card (there is a slight possibility partner can super accept) support the grand is most definitely on. With only 2 card support, then you need a few other things to go right on the hand.

[jillybean]

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If you continue with keycard partner will show 2 and you guessed it, no Q

We haven't discussed super accept, I haven't considered super accept in a weak nt context.

[thepossum]

Gerber followed by 6 or 7 NT

Scrub that its 12-14

Think again

Did that. It could still work - but possibly explore other options first

EDIT Small sim suggest original plan could work

[the hog]

4NT quantitative? NoGerber? No
Transfer to H, followed by a 3D bid? Yes. We have agreements to show a double fit here which could get you to 7D opposite Axx Kxx AJxx xxx or similar.
Then after 3H KC and then 6.

[pescetom]

6NT.
We have 32-34 joint HCP, two balanced hands, stops and at least one 5 card suit.

[P_Marlowe]

Xfer followed by 3D.

Describe your hand, try to locate a fit.

After the KC ask showed 2, ..., I would go with 6H,
but 6NT is certainly reasonable.

[nullve]

Form of scoring?

[jillybean]

MP

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2023-February-17, 02:08, said:

MP

The key card to find out about is the ♣K as this will very likely tell you whether you want to be in 6N or 6♥ (if partner has ♠Axx(x) your losing club will go on the spade in hearts). You also want to know if partner has 3 or 4 hearts, if he has 4 you can safely ruff your last diamond whether he has 2 or 3.

I don't know your system well enough to know how you go about this, I would already know whether partner had 4 hearts as we superaccept all the time.

I think I would bid 3♠ which must be a cue (or I'd have bid 2♠ rather than 3♦) over 3♥ and see if partner cues 4♣.

[mw64ahw]

Given you're potentially looking at the grand I'm cue-bidding 3♠ first rather than moving directly to key carding.
The way I play; 3NT by North now denies a ♥ honour and 4♣ would show a ♣ control + a ♥ honour.
If you get a 4♣ reply then 4♠ shows 2KCs etc.

[DavidKok]

A great start. 1NT-2♦*; 2♥-3♦; 3♥ sets trumps, and now we can make a control bid with 3♠.

[Gerardo]

As the 3♠ bidders above, can find about some of ♣K, ♦A, ♠A, before asking KCs

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2023-February-17, 01:14, said:

6NT.
We have 32-34 joint HCP, two balanced hands, stops and at least one 5 card suit.

And partner's not allowed to hold Axx, Kxx, Axx, Kxxx ?

Or AJ10x, KJx, Jx, Qxxx where 6♥ is cold barring extreme distribution, and 6N is dodgy on a club lead (I suppose 6N is 50:50 if they find the right lead so might be worth bidding anyway at MPs)

[jdiana]

Maybe this is too aggressive (I'm not used to playing with a weak 1NT) but how about 1NT - 2♦ - 2♥ - 5NT (pick a slam)?

At least it's simple.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2023-February-17, 09:47, said:

And partner's not allowed to hold Axx, Kxx, Axx, Kxxx ?

Or AJ10x, KJx, Jx, Qxxx where 6♥ is cold barring extreme distribution, and 6N is dodgy on a club lead (I suppose 6N is 50:50 if they find the right lead so might be worth bidding anyway at MPs)

Yes there are hands where 6♥ is a better contract and maybe there might be 7♦ on the day, but at MP I think the risks of exploration exceed the risk that 6NT is not a good score (in particular that we just inform the opponent on lead about which pointy ace his partner holds).

At IMPs in a decent field we would transfer to hearts (with superaccepts available) and then secondary transfer to diamonds, which gives us nuanced information before we fix trumps and get into control-bids.

[mycroft]

Well, I'm pulling out the obscure part of my system.

1NT-2♦
2♥ (assume)-2NT (5♥, 4c unknown minor, GF)

and see what I get as a response. Assuming we both remember the system, I will know if we have a heart fit, whether partner thinks her hand is better for slam if I have a specific minor or whether it doesn't matter, and I'll be able to go on.

If we do have a heart fit, I'll be able to get a cue for the ♣K before I have to keycard, which is nice.