[michel444]

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Doing research on Forcing pass system an defence
that was the third time in row somone reach a spade contract
West Play a "normal" 5 cards major system using a lot of unusual defense biding
the complexity of biding after Fert opening ekren and transfer opening make me understand why
FP system is no LEGAL .
so west have a hand that is to weak to open in first chair
north have an "average" opening with 4 cards ♠
the system use a Major Alwas First aproch so with 4♠ and 7♦ bid 1♦
to show his 4 cards♠ (range of point is 9-14)
East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level opening
double to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦
and a minimum of 12 point
south have to many spade his partner didnt mention answering with 6 cards supoort
so bid 3 spade promising 4-5 cards ♠
West reavuleate his hand
his 8 count are now 12-13
addig 3 point for Splinter spade and 2 more point for 5th club and 5th heart
so bid 4H
south Double proposing partner to bid 4 Spade
East have no reason to bid on and pass
north bid 4 ♠
west lead the ace of Heart and switch to spade
4+1 spade









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[michel444]

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this was first with good defense
2s is down 2

[michel444]

the secod hand


2 ♦ show 6+♦ 0-3 M 0-4 CLUB
SOUTH DONT WANT TP PASS WITH Splinter ♦ bid 2 ♠ to prevent oponetto find ther heart fit
north bid 3♥ to show a 3=3=6=1 or 3=3=7=0 Distribution

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East lead spade and contract go 2 down

[mw64ahw]

michel444, on 2022-September-21, 09:08, said:

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Doing research on Forcing pass system an defence
that was the third time in row somone reach a spade contract
West Play a "normal" 5 cards major system using a lot of unusual defense biding
the complexity of biding after Fert opening ekren and transfer opening make me understand why
FP system is no LEGAL .
so west have a hand that is to weak to open in first chair
north have an "average" opening with 4 cards ♠
the system use a Major Alwas First aproch so with 4♠ and 7♦ bid 1♦
to show his 4 cards♠ (range of point is 9-14)
East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level opening
double to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦
and a minimum of 12 point
south have to many spade his partner didnt mention answering with 6 cards supoort
so bid 3 spade promising 4-5 cards ♠
West reavuleate his hand
his 8 count are now 12-13
addig 3 point for Splinter spade and 2 more point for 5th club and 5th heart
so bid 4H
south Double proposing partner to bid 4 Spade
East have no reason to bid on and pass
north bid 4 ♠
west lead the ace of Heart and switch to spade
4+1 spade

Why not 4♠ if you are going to play the law?
3♠ as a limit raise opposite a potential 9 count looks too aggressive?

[michel444]

mw64ahw, on 2022-September-21, 10:04, said:

Why not 4♠ if you are going to play the law?
3♠ as a limit raise opposite a potential 9 count looks too aggressive?

IN Forcing pass system an opening of pass in first chair
or in second chair -when dealer passed promise 14+point unbalanced or 15+p balanced
without interference responder bid of 1 spade on FP is negative..

when North open 1 ♦ he limited his HCP in the 9-14 Point
partner suport with 3 or more cards.

w/o interference 1♠ is a G/T + (game try or better )
w/o acpecting spade as Trump
1♥ is a game forcing relay asking opener to describe his hand
and can bring a very long sequence of biding
all other response are limited and non forcing
3♠ is NOT a limit raise
but as writen above show 4-5 card support of Spade

[nullve]

michel444, on 2022-September-21, 09:08, said:

East who use a Laurel and hardy defence on 1 level opening
double to show 4+♣ and 4+♥ and 0-2 ♦
and a minimum of 12 point

How is doubling with 2614 shape consistent with the description of Laurel and Hardy given here?

I'd guess the correct overcall is 1N, since an intermediate jump overcall is not available NV.

[michel444]

nullve, on 2022-September-21, 17:30, said:

How is doubling with 2614 shape consistent with the description of Laurel and Hardy given here?

I'd guess the correct overcall is 1N, since an intermediate jump overcall is not available NV.

maybe i didnt grab the Laurel hardy complex
as 1 Diamond is artificial showing Spade
1 spade will be a T/o with 3+cards in all other suit
1 heart wills show club and diamond 12+p
and 1 NT and unspecified 5 cards (club diamond or Heart ) W/O a side cards of 4 12-15 p
2 club will show Diamond and heart 12+ p
2 heart a weak 6 cards less then 12p
2 spade 5+ heart and 4+m and weak (less then 12 point
2nt weak with 4-5 or 55 in minor(less then 12 p )

maybe the right bid is 2 diamond and not double

[mw64ahw]

michel444, on 2022-September-21, 16:48, said:

3♠ is NOT a limit raise
but as writen above show 4-5 card support of Spade

but you have 6 card support, not 4-5, so why not 4♠.

[michel444]

mw64ahw, on 2022-September-22, 01:28, said:

but you have 6 card support, not 4-5, so why not 4♠.

I see no reason why not bid 4 ♠

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South see the 9+Heart fit of opponnet; He have 1♥ and his partner 0-3♥
as south the question is if 3♠ is enaught to make west pass again or does he have to bid 4♠
its hard to imagine North hand to make 4 ♠
if north is max he is balanced 5=2-3=2-3=2-3
or 4 432 - 4♠ 4 minor and 2-3 ♥ 2-3 in Om
like ♠ AKJx ♥ xx ♦ KQJx ♣ xxx and even 3♠ just make