[AL78]

MPs:

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[akwoo]

On most days, I'm not here because I bid 2♥ the previous round.

But not every day. I'm slightly tempted to follow my earlier decision not to bid hearts by not bidding hearts again - bid 2♠ here. But that's probably too much, and I'll bid 2♥.

[smerriman]

akwoo, on 2022-May-12, 19:13, said:

bid 2♠ here. But that's probably too much, and I'll bid 2♥.

Try again

It's a tricky one; I suspect partner probably has something like 5-5 in the minors which is why they didn't reopen with a double; we could be anywhere from making slam to not making game. Maybe it's too much, but I think I'll bid 3♥ which must show some diamond support as well (otherwise why not bid hearts earlier).

[Gilithin]

3♥ FNJ if that is in our toolbox, or X planning on bidding 3♦ over partner's expected 3♣.

[AL78]

I didn't overcall the first time because for me I need a suit with two honors for a two level overcall vulnerable. Some good suggestions which I didn't think of, in the absdence of a FNJ I ended up bidding 3♦, which is an underbid, but it sounded like RHO had a strong hand and partner has overcalled in the protective seat, so isn't going to be loaded. The full deal:

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A 25% board as quite a few found 4♥.

[Douglas43]

Pass and try for two off?

[smerriman]

Gilithin, on 2022-May-13, 02:56, said:

3♥ FNJ if that is in our toolbox

AL78, on 2022-May-13, 05:16, said:

in the absence of a FNJ

I actually had to look up what an FNJ was (have heard of them but not known the specifics). My thinking was that this was an auction where it would have to show a fit even if you don't "play them", just by logic alone.

[eagles123]

I wouldn't be that fussed about missing 4H at MP. Think your partner has an interesting decision, can't fault 2D but I might have tried 1N.

[Cyberyeti]

eagles123, on 2022-May-13, 16:19, said:

I wouldn't be that fussed about missing 4H at MP. Think your partner has an interesting decision, can't fault 2D but I might have tried 1N.

Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1♠-P-P-X-2♣-3♥-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4♥ (or 3♠-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4♥, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.

[AL78]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1♠-P-P-X-2♣-3♥-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4♥ (or 3♠-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4♥, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.

Both 3NT and 4H are there double dummy, but it was a very mixed standard so double dummy is arguably not a good indication of what to expect in the field.

[eagles123]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

Many people play the protective 1N as 12-14, I feel I'm a bit good for that with the shape and intermediates (although the major suit holdings are bad) and don't really have a spade stop, it's an awkward hand. I think I'd double, but not 100% sure. I suspect we'd get 1♠-P-P-X-2♣-3♥-P- and now you have a decision to make and probably bid 4♥ (or 3♠-3N).

Looks like 3N will also make, and I'm surprised everybody made 4♥, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.

have to say double wouldn't occur to me, interesting hand anyway. I've polled it over on BW

https://bridgewinner...m-2-9m5okzinfw/

[Cyberyeti]

AL78, on 2022-May-14, 04:59, said:

Both 3NT and 4H are there double dummy, but it was a very mixed standard so double dummy is arguably not a good indication of what to expect in the field.

4♥ needs you not to finesse ♥J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

3N needs 2 black suit tricks which you're very likely to make one way or the other, particularly if opener shows both blacks (if you don't drop ♥Q).

[AL78]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 07:47, said:

4♥ needs you not to finesse ♥J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

3N needs 2 black suit tricks which you're very likely to make one way or the other, particularly if opener shows both blacks (if you don't drop ♥Q).

The traveller was:

4♥ N 10 +620
4♥ N 10 +620
4♥ N 10 +620
3♥ N 10 +170
4♠ W 8 +200
4♠ W 6 +400
3♠ W 7 +200
3♥ N 10 +170
3 ♠ W 8 +100
3♦ S 9 +110 (us)
4♦ S 8 -200
3NT N 9 +600
4♠ S 8 -200

Looks like the majority were overcalling on my hand.

[eagles123]

AL78, on 2022-May-14, 10:26, said:

The traveller was:

4♥ N 10 +620
4♥ N 10 +620
4♥ N 10 +620
3♥ N 10 +170
4♠ W 8 +200
4♠ W 6 +400
3♠ W 7 +200
3♥ N 10 +170
3 ♠ W 8 +100
3♦ S 9 +110 (us)
4♦ S 8 -200
3NT N 9 +600
4♠ S 8 -200

Looks like the majority were overcalling on my hand.

or they balanced differently with your partner's hand, which would make getting to game a hell of a lot easier.

[Cyberyeti]

eagles123, on 2022-May-14, 07:45, said:

have to say double wouldn't occur to me

Agreement dependent, for us protective 2♦ can be a king to an ace weaker than the direct overcall, the question is whether "double and bid" is also that much weaker.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 02:27, said:

I'm surprised everybody made 4♥, would expect some to have lost 2 spades and 2 hearts.

Me too.

Cyberyeti, on 2022-May-14, 07:47, said:

4♥ needs you not to finesse ♥J which I'd expect many weak players to do.

I would have bid the same as W with the ♥T instead of ♥Q (you too, I suspect) and therefore I would have taken the finesse like the weak players (not sure you could make without it if the Q is in E, which has many more spaces).