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What do u open? Playing weak 2's

Poll: What do u open (52 member(s) have cast votes)

What do u open

  1. 1 Heart (25 votes [48.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.08%

  2. 2 Hearts (22 votes [42.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.31%

  3. Pass (5 votes [9.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.62%

  4. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   badderzboy 

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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:20

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Playing weak 2's(6-10) what do you open 1 or 2?

If your range is 5-9 does this change your mind if u opened 2 last time...

How do u evaluate hands like this?

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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:33

Crystal clear 1 opening. I find 2 absurd and pass is very questionable but better than 2 for sure.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:34

As much as I like to use the rule of 20 to open, pard will only be disappointed with my hand if I open at the 1 level. (Lack of defensive quick tricks is a real issue here.) If pard has enuf to make a game try, he will love my pushers and fillers.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:35

1H.

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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:39

I know this is a weak 2 to most people in North America. Those weak 2's are more like Acol 2's. I have said this many times in the Forums:

Pre-empts are not supposed to be constructive - unless you have 2 available to show a very weak pre-empt in one major. If you have, I can live with 2. If you don't have that gadget it's a clear

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Posted 2005-June-06, 14:40

This is a miserable 11, if u ask me. If weak 2's are 5-9, I open 1H. If weak 2's include 11, I open 2H. If weak 2's are 5-10 I probably still open 2H.
Certainly that Jx and Qx are not full value so knocking this 11 down to 10 is reasonable.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 15:18

PriorKnowledge, on Jun 6 2005, 08:40 PM, said:

This is a miserable 11, if u ask me. If weak 2's are 5-9, I open 1H. If weak 2's include 11, I open 2H. If weak 2's are 5-10 I probably still open 2H.
Certainly that Jx and Qx are not full value so knocking this 11 down to 10 is reasonable.

It really doesn't matter the range of weak twos, in fact having a range for weak 2's is very stupid to me. In my CC the range reads 0-12 (bite me).
No matter what the range is there're a lot of 0HCP hands that I would like to open 2 before even thinking about opening this hand with a weak 2.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 15:31

No one has asked this question; will opening 1H or 2H with this pile of junk prove to be more preemptive and make the play of the hand more difficult for declarer in placing my HCP's? Opening 1 level bids can be devasting for 99% of non experts opp.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 15:38

2H is silly. This hand is defensive. If partner saves, it's wrong. Do not preempt with this much defense. Roland, this is not a weak 2 bid in North America as far as I know... if it is I'm moving ;)

That being said, the choice between 1H and pass is closer than most people give it credit for. The hand is a piece of crap, and I really have alot of sympathy for a pass here. I would probably open it a heart since light openings are in style, but I have a feeling pass is actually a better bid.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 16:28

If I open 2H, partner will never be able to figure out that K10xx, Kx, K10x, KJxx will give us a decent enough chance for 3N - but the shape and the lack of quick tricks argues for 2H instead of 1H. Therefore, because I have no decent way to express this hand, I pass and hope to show a modicum of strength later; if I don't I probably have not lost much.

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Posted 2005-June-06, 16:35

I debated what to bid and still not sure what is the right answer.

I can bid 1 as it meets rule of 20 so 1 is borderline and I can rebid 2 so seems a better bid than 2 here...

What chances of a dbl or Spade o'call though by LHO?

I could bid 2 a better bid than pass here and if partner bids Ogust I can bid 3 good suit good hand 2 Honours so I won't miss game.

I can pass which seems a better bid than 1 as I have 8 losers and only 1 quick trick... which may let opps find a minor fit.. but then bid a jump bid in showing a max pass if I get the chance...

How do u evaluate the other suits HCPs or do u adjust and how?

What is the ODR of the hand?

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Posted 2005-June-06, 16:41

Only time I remember opening weak 2 with 10 HCP I was having a QJ bare somewhere.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 16:43

I pass playing 2/1
I'll open 1 playing precision
Playing SAYC I might open 1, but lean towards pass
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Posted 2005-June-06, 16:58

I would open 2.

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Posted 2005-June-06, 17:26

very strange hand.. i'd open 2 playing weak 2 in a 2/1 system, and i'd open 2 playing 11-16 in the weiss club
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Posted 2005-June-06, 18:13

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I could bid 2♥ a better bid than pass here and if partner bids Ogust I can bid 3♥ good suit good hand 2 Honours so I won't miss game.


Do you really expect partner to make a game try with:

K108x, Kxx, K10x, K107

Won't fair so well opposite:
xx, AQJxxx, QJx, xx

But Jx, AQxxxx, Qx, Q98

Here is a very reasonable 3NT.
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Posted 2005-June-06, 22:57

fred, on Jun 6 2005, 05:58 PM, said:

I would open 2.

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Posted 2005-June-06, 23:44

fred, on Jun 6 2005, 06:58 PM, said:

I would open 2.

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Thanks, Fred. I was beginning to think I am a bit of a freak as far as this hand goes. I wouldn't open this hand at the one level. I guess Roland and I are at odds here. I disagree that 2-level openings should not be constructive - I think this hand makes a fine 2 call. With my precision partners, our weak 2's are disciplined in all but 3rd seat and this hand is about at maximum for that.

Admittedly, with a pickup partner who would not anticipate this sort of hand, I would likely pass in order to avoid deceiving partner if I open 1or 2. I think this hand is too lacking in quick tricks for a 1 opening, even playing 11-15 or 10-14.
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Posted 2005-June-07, 00:57

This is a very nasty hand!

Open 2 and partner will often save when it is wrong, and not bid games which are making.

Open 1 and you will often get to games which aren't even close (especially playing 2/1).

Pass and you might never get to mention your , or only get to mention them at an uncomfortably high level after the opponents have exchanged information.

So these are my thoughts. What would I do?

I think I would open 2 playing 2/1 and 1 playing Acol or Precision. But I wouldn't be surprised if I end up regretting opening the hand at all.

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Posted 2005-June-07, 01:03

Jlall, on Jun 6 2005, 04:38 PM, said:

Justin: Roland, this is not a weak 2 bid in North America as far as I know... if it is I'm moving :P

Fred: I would open 2♥.

Justin: *removes foot from mouth*

So Justin, did you pack, and where are you moving to? :rolleyes:

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