[badderzboy]

Scoring: IMP

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Playing weak 2's(6-10) what do you open 1♥ or 2♥?

If your range is 5-9 does this change your mind if u opened 2♥ last time...

How do u evaluate hands like this?

Steve

[luis]

Crystal clear 1♥ opening. I find 2♥ absurd and pass is very questionable but better than 2♥ for sure.

[Al_U_Card]

As much as I like to use the rule of 20 to open, pard will only be disappointed with my hand if I open at the 1 level. (Lack of defensive quick tricks is a real issue here.) If pard has enuf to make a game try, he will love my pushers and fillers.

[pbleighton]

1H.

Peter

[Walddk]

I know this is a weak 2 to most people in North America. Those weak 2's are more like Acol 2's. I have said this many times in the Forums:

Pre-empts are not supposed to be constructive - unless you have 2♦ available to show a very weak pre-empt in one major. If you have, I can live with 2♥. If you don't have that gadget it's a clear

1♥

Roland

[PriorKnowledge]

This is a miserable 11, if u ask me. If weak 2's are 5-9, I open 1H. If weak 2's include 11, I open 2H. If weak 2's are 5-10 I probably still open 2H.
Certainly that ♠Jx and ♦Qx are not full value so knocking this 11 down to 10 is reasonable.

[luis]

PriorKnowledge, on Jun 6 2005, 08:40 PM, said:

This is a miserable 11, if u ask me. If weak 2's are 5-9, I open 1H. If weak 2's include 11, I open 2H. If weak 2's are 5-10 I probably still open 2H.
Certainly that ♠Jx and ♦Qx are not full value so knocking this 11 down to 10 is reasonable.

It really doesn't matter the range of weak twos, in fact having a range for weak 2's is very stupid to me. In my CC the range reads 0-12 (bite me).
No matter what the range is there're a lot of 0HCP hands that I would like to open 2♥ before even thinking about opening this hand with a weak 2.

[mike777]

No one has asked this question; will opening 1H or 2H with this pile of junk prove to be more preemptive and make the play of the hand more difficult for declarer in placing my HCP's? Opening 1 level bids can be devasting for 99% of non experts opp.

[Winstonm]

If I open 2H, partner will never be able to figure out that K10xx, Kx, K10x, KJxx will give us a decent enough chance for 3N - but the shape and the lack of quick tricks argues for 2H instead of 1H. Therefore, because I have no decent way to express this hand, I pass and hope to show a modicum of strength later; if I don't I probably have not lost much.

WinstonM

[badderzboy]

I debated what to bid and still not sure what is the right answer.

I can bid 1♥ as it meets rule of 20 so 1♥ is borderline and I can rebid 2♥ so seems a better bid than 2♥ here...

What chances of a dbl or Spade o'call though by LHO?

I could bid 2♥ a better bid than pass here and if partner bids Ogust I can bid 3♥ good suit good hand 2 Honours so I won't miss game.

I can pass which seems a better bid than 1♥ as I have 8 losers and only 1 quick trick... which may let opps find a minor fit.. but then bid a jump bid in ♥ showing a max pass if I get the chance...

How do u evaluate the other suits HCPs or do u adjust and how?

What is the ODR of the hand?

Steve

[Fluffy]

Only time I remember opening weak 2 with 10 HCP I was having a QJ bare somewhere.

[hrothgar]

I pass playing 2/1
I'll open 1♥ playing precision
Playing SAYC I might open 1♥, but lean towards pass

[fred]

I would open 2♥.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[luke warm]

very strange hand.. i'd open 2♥ playing weak 2 in a 2/1 system, and i'd open 2♥ playing 11-16 in the weiss club

[Winstonm]

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I could bid 2♥ a better bid than pass here and if partner bids Ogust I can bid 3♥ good suit good hand 2 Honours so I won't miss game.

Do you really expect partner to make a game try with:

K108x, Kxx, K10x, K107

Won't fair so well opposite:
xx, AQJxxx, QJx, xx

But Jx, AQxxxx, Qx, Q98

Here is a very reasonable 3NT.

[Rebound]

fred, on Jun 6 2005, 06:58 PM, said:

I would open 2♥.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

Thanks, Fred. I was beginning to think I am a bit of a freak as far as this hand goes. I wouldn't open this hand at the one level. I guess Roland and I are at odds here. I disagree that 2-level openings should not be constructive - I think this hand makes a fine 2♥ call. With my precision partners, our weak 2's are disciplined in all but 3rd seat and this hand is about at maximum for that.

Admittedly, with a pickup partner who would not anticipate this sort of hand, I would likely pass in order to avoid deceiving partner if I open 1or 2♥. I think this hand is too lacking in quick tricks for a 1♥ opening, even playing 11-15 or 10-14.

[EricK]

This is a very nasty hand!

Open 2♥ and partner will often save when it is wrong, and not bid games which are making.

Open 1♥ and you will often get to games which aren't even close (especially playing 2/1).

Pass and you might never get to mention your ♥, or only get to mention them at an uncomfortably high level after the opponents have exchanged information.

So these are my thoughts. What would I do?

I think I would open 2♥ playing 2/1 and 1♥ playing Acol or Precision. But I wouldn't be surprised if I end up regretting opening the hand at all.

Eric

[Walddk]

Jlall, on Jun 6 2005, 04:38 PM, said:

Justin: Roland, this is not a weak 2 bid in North America as far as I know... if it is I'm moving

Fred: I would open 2♥.

Justin: *removes foot from mouth*

So Justin, did you pack, and where are you moving to?

Roland