[Chamaco]

Ok, so you are playing at matchpoints and after 2 passes, white vs red, you decide to "be smart" and open light:

HAND 1 (see hand 2 in a post below for similar problem)
AQJT-xx-Jxx-Txxx

You decide to open a lead directing 1S because you have the following agreement:

1. you can pass any pard's bid to show subminimal bid
2. you have agreed to play reverse drury so pard won't take off looking for game

Bidding proceeds:

MP, NV vs Vuln
p-(p)-1S-(2D)
X-(p)- ?

Ouch ! You HOPED you could pass any pard's rebid (or use drury sequences), but this is awkward...

What agreements do you suggest to solve these sequences once you are at this point ?
(besides avoiding the problem altogether, giving up opening good 4 baggers in 3rd seat with marginal values at favourable vulnerability.... )

[whereagles]

Not good.

Try 2♠. If you don't like that, 3♣ seems to be your only 'hope'...

[Gerben42]

Thank you partner. This is going to hurt. I am seriously considering passing and taking them in 100s but since it is MP I will hope for the best and bid something. 2♥.

[Walddk]

I have an urgent appointment at my dentist's. Isn't that enough excuse to leave the table immediately?

I will rebid 2♠ in tempo and look like a person who has a nice 6-carder and an opener. I am only 2 cards and 3 hcp off

Roland

[cherdano]

I don't understand the problem. Is X not a takeout for the unbid suits? Then surely I can bid 3♣? They may not double, or we may go down only one.

I cannot imagine that partner has less than 4 clubs. If he has 3 diamonds, he should pass. If he has 5 hearts or 3 spades, he should bid them. That leaves 5 clubs, so I have even a margin of safety in my statement...

Arend

[Chamaco]

Ok,
so here is now a simpler related problem (I just switched the minors).

In the same situation (MP, white vs red, 3rd seat) you hold


HAND 2

AQJT-xx-Txxx-Jxx

Bidding goes

p-(p)-1♠-(2♣)
DBL-(p)-?

Now you have available a more comfortable 2 diamonds rebid

THE QUESTION IS:
Does 2 diamond show full opening values ?
Without real opening values am I obliged to rebid the opening suit ?
If not, how do you discriminate a full opener from a subminimal opener ?
(you will agree with me that opener cannot bid the same way with a full opener and without full values...)

[Walddk]

cherdano, on May 31 2005, 05:19 AM, said:

I don't understand the problem. Is X not a takeout for the unbid suits? Then surely I can bid 3♣? They may not double, or we may go down only one.

I understand the problem. Partner's double shows hearts, and only hearts, to most people, and doesn't say a word about clubs. In an ideal world you have both, but the world is not ideal.

Roland

[FrancesHinden]

This isn't really a light opener, it's a balanced 8-count and a psyche (yeah, only a matter of definition, I know). I don't have methods later in the auction to show I've psyched.

I would bid 2S on the first (what else?) and probably 2S on the second as well. Not so much because I think 2D shows a full opener, but because partner is more likely to pass 2S than to raise 2D. And opponents may find it harder to double you for penalties because you have all those spade honours.

I don't have a general method to show a light opener rather than a full one; if you make a habit of opening light I think you have to live either with going off in 2NT sometimes or missing the occasional 3NT.

p.s. I probably would have opened 2S. But it's a matter of style.

[cherdano]

Walddk, on May 31 2005, 11:38 AM, said:

cherdano, on May 31 2005, 05:19 AM, said:

I don't understand the problem. Is X not a takeout for the unbid suits? Then surely I can bid 3♣? They may not double, or we may go down only one.

I understand the problem. Partner's double shows hearts, and only hearts, to most people, and doesn't say a word about clubs. In an ideal world you have both, but the world is not ideal.

Roland

Ok, but why should responder bid with 2=4=4=3 and 10hcp? If I have 4 hearts and short diamonds, I will reopen most likely. Do you think he could be 2=5=3=3? What other hand could he have with 3 clubs only?

Arend

[reisig]

Hand 2 is easy(er) ...bid 2♦ and pray.
Hand 1 -- partner has virtually denied ♠ support ...so 3♣ - pray harder:))