[pigpenz]

how do you open your weak two's????
Basically in first or second seat! red or white!

This post has been edited by pigpenz: 2005-May-19, 20:32

[inquiry]

pigpenz, on May 19 2005, 10:05 PM, said:

how do you open your weak two's????

Not nearly enough choices. Weak twos change by position (first, second, third, fourth seat). Weak two in second seat is textbook sound, weak two in third seat is anything goes, and in fourth seat? It is to make, and is not really weak at all. First seat, vul plays a role. Therefore, I have to obstain from this question, cause the answer is probably close to all of them...

[HeartA]

inquiry, on May 19 2005, 09:14 PM, said:

pigpenz, on May 19 2005, 10:05 PM, said:

how do you open your weak two's????

Not nearly enough choices. Weak twos change by position (first, second, third, fourth seat). Weak two in second seat is textbook sound, weak two in third seat is anything goes, and in fourth seat? It is to make, and is not really weak at all. First seat, vul plays a role. Therefore, I have to obstain from this question, cause the answer is probably close to all of them...

And it also depends on vulnerbility. For white vs. red, it could be junk as well.

[pigpenz]

hey some of the ones I have seen in ACBL tourneys defy logic in any position....so you guys do what you want with this one.

Back when Barry Crane and Kerri Shuman won the world pairs in (78 i think), Kerri opened 2♠ vul on KQJ10♠'s

[the hog]

As well as the comments Ben has already made, the answer to this question also depends on with whom you are playing. If your partner prefers disciplined weak 2 bids, then you would be silly to open a nv vs vul QJxxx x xxxx xxx with 2S.

[Double !]

It VERY MUCH matters who my partner is, what our response structure is, and what else we are playing such as system. When in doubt (advocates of pressure bidding forgive me) I tend to be disciplined in order to enable partner to attempt to make intelligent relatively informed decision should he decide to take action.

So, My vote has to be OTHER

[whereagles]

I like

QJTxx
x
xxxx
xxx

as a min, at NV vs V in 1st or 3rd seat.

[the hog]

Sure, so do I. However if partner doesn't then your bid is unbelievably stupid Whereagles. As I said, it depends with whom you play!

[Echognome]

I think the vaguaries of the english language are a problem here. I think the ONLY sensible way to answer this is how do YOU (as a regular partnership) open weak 2's?

We play it variable according to position and vulnerability, but our rough guideline in terms of high card points is:

1st NV = 0-5
2nd NV = 3-7
3rd NV = Wider Ranging 0-12?
4th NV = 10-15

1st V = 5-9
2nd V = 6-10
3rd V = Wider ranging 6-12?
4th V = 11-16

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on May 20 2005, 08:29 AM, said:

Sure, so do I. However if partner doesn't then your bid is unbelievably stupid Whereagles. As I said, it depends with whom you play!

Now, what was that all about??

[Gerben42]

Disciplined yes.
Constructive only when vuln.

These are two completely different issues. Discipline means that your partner can count on you to have the hand you agreed upon.

If you give me KQJxxx x xxx xxx at favorable I will be disciplined and open 3♠ according to partnership style. Then opening only 2♠ would be undisciplined because it is too much. This might cause us to miss a game.

[Free]

whereagles, on May 20 2005, 09:51 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 20 2005, 08:29 AM, said:

Sure, so do I. However if partner doesn't then your bid is unbelievably stupid Whereagles. As I said, it depends with whom you play!

Now, what was that all about??

I guess it's about "bridge is a partnership game", which I totally agree with... It indeed depends on the partner. With one partner I'd open such hands in a second and he'll like it, with another I'll pass to keep him calm and peaceful.

[the hog]

Yes, that is exactly what I meant.

[whereagles]

Well... that's rather obvious, isn't it?

[Free]

whereagles, on May 20 2005, 10:51 AM, said:

Well... that's rather obvious, isn't it?

Then why did you ask what it's about?

[ochinko]

Just as important:

• never with another 4-card major
  
• never with 2 aces in hand
  
• never with a void (even a singleton is questionable)

And lastly, I prefer to open 1M when weak but with enough Zar points (hi Ben) when I have a nice suit that I can repeat instead of mentioning my 4-card minor to show that I am weak so that partner doesn't get excited.

Petko

[mr1303]

The way I do it is that my pre-empts are always fairly disciplined at all vuls in 1st/2nd seat. Even in 3rd I don't just pre-empt to take away space, I make sure my suit is a good lead on defence as well. This way my partners know what's going on when I pre-empt and don't force them to guess.

[bearmum]

The_Hog, on May 20 2005, 09:29 PM, said:

Sure, so do I. However if partner doesn't then your bid is unbelievably stupid Whereagles. As I said, it depends with whom you play!

ITA Hog

for ALL bidding I think your partner should EXPECT you to be reasonably disiplicined in your bidding ( according to the system you play) ---- MAYBE white V red you can relax the requirements a LITTLE ---- BUT if you don't play the system more often than not I think you make the partnership less reliable (and make you PARTNER trust you less when it REALLY matters)

[bearmum]

pigpenz, on May 20 2005, 03:05 PM, said:

how do you open your weak two's????
Basically in first or second seat! red or white!

MY answer is "none of the above" because the parameters of the question are TOO wide (if playing SAYC or 2/1 especially)

The way my P and I play Precision 2 MAJOR is 8-10 6 card suit and NO other 4 C major


2♣ AND 2♦ HAVE A totally DIFFERNT meaning - both SHOW 11-15 (and will be alerted)

[kenberg]

With my regular partner I indicate on the convention card: Usually a decent six card suit. Since, as others have said, it depends on position, vulnerability, form of scoring and perhaps assessment of the oppponents and other special circumstances, it is difficult to be more precise. I try to think of how partner might respond or lead, and whether my hand will be a disappointment to him. It's not good to open 2H, have the opponents play 4S, and then have partner establish declarer's king by laying down the ace of hearts. I won't say I never open 2H on a suit headed by the queen, but I count it as a demerit. Enough demerits and I choose pass.

Against good players, it seems to me that a weak two bid should either help to direct the defense against their eventual contract or else should be based on a hand that you can plausibly want to declare. If the opponents are likely to be playing the hand and you don't want your suit led, there is no need to tell declarer how the heart suit is distributed.

Ken