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Posted 2005-May-16, 10:31

Scoring: IMP

BPO-002E
Thanks to jimmy (luke warm) for this problem
S----------W----------N----------E
1............P...........1NT............2
? your bid

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Posted 2005-May-16, 10:35

BPO-002E Double

Pity BBO Advanced doesn't really discuss competitive bidding. Luckily, players rarely compete much during our constructive sequences.

I'm doubling. I pray its for takeout... Probably makes the most sense to play double as two-way (penalty or takeout)....
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Posted 2005-May-16, 10:41

Dbl might work out ok, didn't think of that :lol: I bid 2
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:10

2. DBL was close...
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:10

2 seems the simple choice
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:14

I agree with hrothgar's hope that an advanced/expert partner should take double as takeout when this sequence is not undiscussed. I still like 2 a lot better, because my eyes are fixed on this nice heart suit, so that they don't find a club suit in this hand...
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:14

Double. I think 2H should show some extras or extra lenght. Something to discuss in a serious partnership, though.
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  Posted 2005-May-16, 11:19

If RHO gives me an opportunity to better describe my hand, I'll take it.

Double.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:34

2H

Partner may play me to have some hcp in my 2 bid suits h and s but will just have to take that chance..with x he may play me for more scattered HCP.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 11:47

double support for all but 's and partner can convet to penalties
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Posted 2005-May-16, 12:33

double.. hearts can be found, clubs can be found, and partner's diamonds can be found, if he chooses
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Posted 2005-May-16, 12:41

luke warm, on May 16 2005, 02:33 PM, said:

double.. hearts can be found, clubs can be found, and partner's diamonds can be found, if he chooses

Now here is a bid that doesn't surprise me.... :-)

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Posted 2005-May-16, 13:18

2, it describes my hand. I don’t want my partner to come back with if I double.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 13:24

jillybean2, on May 16 2005, 01:18 PM, said:

2, it describes my hand. I don’t want my partner to come back with if I double.

i have a feeling you will get a lot of support, kat... but this *is* imps... what if partner is 2236 or something? 3 might not be a bad spot
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Posted 2005-May-16, 15:09

2 Hearts seemed easy option, I did not like x in case p bid 3 clubs and we ended in 3nt going down on a Diamond lead
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Posted 2005-May-16, 16:45

How are you going to get to 3nt?

If I double, I'm passing just about whatever partner bids.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 16:51

Unlike many of the other poll questions, I think this one really comes down to:

"Is a double of 2 in this auction for takeout?"

If the answer is yes, double will probably be the best option. If the answer is no, it seems fairly clear to bid 2.

Of course, it's not enough to say "I'd like double to be takeout on this hand," it would need to be a general agreement that after 1M-P-1NT-2x, double is takeout. This is certainly not an unreasonable agreement, and in fact I play this way with most of my partners, but that too is not sufficient. We need a takeout double here to be standard. Is it? The BBO advanced notes are silent on one of the most important issues in any partnership -- which doubles are takeout (versus which are penalty)?

Seems like a good case for a vote, and an update of the notes.
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Posted 2005-May-16, 17:21

for me, double is definitely for t/o... that doesn't preclude partner from passing... by the way, wayne, if partner bids 3 it wouldn't enter my mind to do anything other than pass
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Posted 2005-May-16, 17:46

I subscribe to the following rule that has served me well during my long career:

Double of low level contracts are for take-out, unless preceded by redouble, or if it's obvious that the opponents have a misfit.

Accordingly, double of 2 is for take-out, because nothing of the above is clear (no redouble earlier, and not obvious that they have a misfit). But that doesn't necessarily mean that I think double is best.

You will see when Ben posts the panel's view.

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Posted 2005-May-16, 18:13

2 Hearts

Showing where my cards are. If double is for takeout, and partner can sit for it or if that gets us to a club contract well, congrats to the geniuses. It's not clear to me without prior discussion that Dbl shows 4 hearts as opposed to just a good hand.
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