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#21 User is offline   Vampyr 

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Posted 2019-July-23, 06:00

View PostTramticket, on 2019-July-23, 05:45, said:

You should have called Specsavers. I count 13! :)


Do you? I see only 12 too.
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Posted 2019-July-23, 06:04

View PostVampyr, on 2019-July-23, 06:00, said:

Do you? I see only 12 too.

Try counting them.
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Posted 2019-July-23, 06:22

Given your methods, 4 seems completely reasonable. I do not like pass to be forcing where a cue bid is available, if they bid a natural 2, I imagine everyone would agree with a direct 4, using lebensohl to show stronger hands. Someone bidding a direct 4 must be long and weak and concerned that opps have the possibility of making 5
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Posted 2019-July-23, 06:52

I count 14 which is why I prefer T to 10 :)
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Posted 2019-July-23, 09:04

View Postgordontd, on 2019-July-23, 06:04, said:

Try counting them.


Maybe a card is cut off in some browsers? I see only 12 cards too: 10 to 4; 9 & 7; and 8, 7, & 3.
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Posted 2019-July-23, 09:41

Looks like you are missing the 2 at the end of the 8-card suit. What browser and OS?
It shows correctly with Samsung internet browser on Android.
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Posted 2019-July-23, 10:50

View PostTramticket, on 2019-July-23, 05:45, said:

You should have called Specsavers. I count 13! :)

Maybe it’s an iPad thing. There’s definitely only 12 shown on my screen.
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Posted 2019-July-23, 11:10

View PostGrahamJson, on 2019-July-23, 10:50, said:

Maybe it’s an iPad thing. There’s definitely only 12 shown on my screen.
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We had two nine-card suits over the weekend. Just as well that I didn't post one of them! :)
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Posted 2019-July-23, 12:51

View PostTramticket, on 2019-July-22, 01:16, said:



IMPs. The opponents open a weak no trump and you make a penalty double promising 16+ HCP (or 15 and a good lead). LHO bids 2 as a transfer to hearts. Your agreements (with this partner) are that partner will double for penalties, pass is forcing and a new suit is weak.

Given these agreements, how would you interpret the following actions from partner? (a) 2, (b) 3, © 4, (d) Pass, then when RHO completes the transfer and you make a penalty double, partner removes the double to spades, (e) Partner bids 2, then removes your subsequent bid (3NT maybe?) to spades.

You have a little more than you might have for the double. Will you bid further? In which auctions?


I have a LOT more than I might have for the X!

In any event, you need to have definition around what a 2NT call by your partner means. Once this is solved, then everything else pretty much falls into place.

I would suggest playing 2NT here as a relay to 3C, so that you can sign off in 3C or 3D or show invite hands in the majors. Then it's pretty simple:

2S: to play
2NT then 3S after the 3C relay: invite
3S: preempt
4S: to play

So how do you show a moose with spades (slammish)? I would just cue 2H first to show the big hand and then bid spades later on.

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Posted 2019-July-23, 19:34

Given that RHO has bid, there's no need to bid if you have a pile of rubbish. Also I don't see any need to pre-empt when it is very likely your hand. Hence, all bids are constructive. Double is lead-directional here but if RHO's bid had been natural then advancer's first double is primarily for takeout.

With that kind of agreement a simple option would be to play a jump as GF, 5 cards exactly or setting trumps SI, since there's not a lot of room for an invite between constructive (6+ or so) and game-forcing ((9)10+). Partner bids 3NT = no spade support, 4S = spade support MIN, others CUE with spade support & extras - similar to super-old-fashioned Acol 1NT-3M.

Not sure if an artificial 2NT or natural 2NT is best. If you held say a flat 7-8 with soft values, a common type, 2NT invitational to 3NT would be very useful.

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Posted 2019-July-23, 22:11

If the vulnerability was reversed I was always told to pass with such a strong hand as partner will pull with a bust and you know he will bid spades. Most weak NT's that I know play systems off after a double so 2 diamonds is normally not a transfer.

I might pass ( instead of doubling )and hope to set it by 3 or 4 tricks, because with normal shape in partners hand after cashing heart ace a club lead might produce enough tricks to set it.
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Posted 2019-July-24, 01:53

View Postbedfordvan, on 2019-July-23, 22:11, said:

I might pass ( instead of doubling )and hope to set it by 3 or 4 tricks, because with normal shape in partners hand after cashing heart ace a club lead might produce enough tricks to set it.


Sorry, but I think that it is daft to pass with a very nice 20-count. A handful of fitting points in partner's hand will make slam an excellent prospect and even fewer values from partner will be needed to make a vulnerable game. You need to tell partner that you have a big hand.
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