[ahydra]

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MPs, nobody vul, opps are playing 5cM weak NT. Result was -100 instead of +300 in 4HX. ATB?

ahydra

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

if there is blame to distribute at all, ... it would go to the 3S bid by North.
The question is, does North really want to sac. against 4H, given that is is 4333.

I dont know.

The next time, South has a Singleton Heart and a 4th diamond, and 4P would have really
good play / made, and we aske North, why did he not show the 4 card support.

Playing MP it may be one of those hands, when you could go either way, and you always pick
the wrong turn or the right one.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[eagles123]

well given North's 3S seems to be totally routine, if there is blame it goes to South imo. but I think any such blame would be harsh, it's not difficult to change the hands just a little so that bidding 4S is the right action.

[rmnka447]

I think this result is more rub of the green than anything else.

[pescetom]

P_Marlowe, on 2019-January-30, 04:36, said:

if there is blame to distribute at all, ... it would go to the 3S bid by North.
The question is, does North really want to sac. against 4H, given that is is 4333.

Assuming NS have a solid intervening style (as seems to be the case) I don't see anything wrong with the 3S, shape or not. It shows a good fit from a non-minimum hand and proposes a contract that makes. The sacrifice was made by South and is more questionable IMO, especially if she trusts her partner more than opponents and can count to 40.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2019-January-30, 10:32, said:

Assuming NS have a solid intervening style (as seems to be the case) I don't see anything wrong with the 3S, shape or not. It shows a good fit from a non-minimum hand and proposes a contract that makes. The sacrifice was made by South and is more questionable IMO, especially if she trusts her partner more than opponents and can count to 40.

South bid the presumed 10 card fit at the 4 level (and might be unsure if opps fit is 8 or more), partner could have had hands where either 4M makes, N didn't need to have the defensive club holding he actually held, make 8♣ a small diamond and 4♥ could easily be on for example. Very little blame to attach.

[apollo1201]

Seems a bit unlucky but I have difficulties in getting opp’s hand consistent with their wild bidding. Up to E’s lucky X (what the hell is he bidding and doubling on when his p showed a distributional hand worth around 13-15 if played weaker than unopposed, or 15-17 if standard, or 15-17 bal if they play weak NT).

Anyway, N’s raise is completely normal, ok he is 4333 but 4 trumps to an honor and a side ace (plus the dubious CQ) make an overall non-min hand, and he just couldn’t show support at the level 2!

S’s bid is also hard to criticize. 4H and 4S could really be making in such auction where it is likely he has the « best hand » of the table (was it a robot tournament 🤣?), and where distributions rate to be a bit more extreme than actual. There can easily be a 9 or 10-card H fit, and potentially a secondary C fit to justify such a contested and animated sequence. LOTT suggest bidding.

[rmnka447]

apollo1201, on 2019-January-30, 16:22, said:

Seems a bit unlucky but I have difficulties in getting opp’s hand consistent with their wild bidding.

I had the same problem. It's quite possible that East would stretch to respond to 1 ♣ in order to let opener bid 1 NT with the strong NT hand. But then how is East bidding game and doubling 4 ♠?

I'd guess it was either a fix by someone who was overly aggressive, or, somehow they were wired on the board.

[ahydra]

You guys will love the 3H bid... ♠2 ♥KQ98 ♦K63 ♣KT632 So yes, South did in fact have the best hand at the table!

I did consider whether I really wanted to bid 3S, but felt like hiding 4-card support was too much. If the 4th spade was a minor card I've have passed without second thought. Partner's hand is rather flat, but as many people have said here she might have caught a bit more shape in dummy and made it.

ahydra

[Cyberyeti]

ahydra, on 2019-January-31, 16:30, said:

You guys will love the 3H bid... ♠2 ♥KQ98 ♦K63 ♣KT632 So yes, South did in fact have the best hand at the table!

I did consider whether I really wanted to bid 3S, but felt like hiding 4-card support was too much. If the 4th spade was a minor card I've have passed without second thought. Partner's hand is rather flat, but as many people have said here she might have caught a bit more shape in dummy and made it.

ahydra

Well W would have bid 2♠ with a good hand, 4 hearts and a stiff spade that's not an honour, if that's your style ...