[pescetom]

Friday evening MP tournament, sitting in East this robust hand turned up.

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System is a fairly natural 2/1 5-card major, partner is inexperienced but promising and a precise bidder.

The natural bid is 1♣, although the possible rebids are not all plain sailing. But opening 2♣ is not going to help here and it's well outside our agreements for 2NT, even if one doesn't need K&R to see it is more like 21 than 17 points. So I guess it has to be 1♣ (2+cards, denies 5-card major). Partner responds 1♠ (4+ cards, does not deny 4-card ♦).
Your rebid here?

[ahydra]

3C (low road) or 3N (high road)

Essentially if partner has 2 clubs you want to be in 3N, if he has 0-1 clubs you need him to help stop whichever red suit they lead. The odds of the latter are pretty high and it's not teams so I'd just bid 3C. (At IMPs and this vul it would be 3N all day every day)

ahydra

[Tramticket]

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT.

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

[pescetom]

Tramticket, on 2018-December-01, 13:49, said:

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT.

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

3NT with this partner is undefined, presumably deprecated although he does play 4 card majors on the side .
My usual style is that it shows fit in spades and an unidentified void.

[nige1]

pescetom writes "Friday evening MP tournament, sitting in East this robust hand turned up. System is a fairly natural 2/1 5-card major, partner is inexperienced but promising and a precise bidder. The natural bid is 1♣, although the possible rebids are not all plain sailing. But opening 2♣ is not going to help here and it's well outside our agreements for 2NT, even if one doesn't need K&R to see it is more like 21 than 17 points. So I guess it has to be 1♣ (2+cards, denies 5-card major). Partner responds 1♠ (4+ cards, does not deny 4-card ♦).Your rebid here?
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I rank
1. 3N = NAT with good ♣s. Highly descriptive as TramTicket recommends.
2. 2♦ = REV. If you are going to manufacture a reverse, then better a minor than a major
3. 2N = BAL 17+-19. 3N is the most likely game.
4. 3♣ = NAT. But 3N might make opposite a Yarborough. ♠ x x x x x ♥ x x x ♦ x x ♣ x x x

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[pescetom]

nige1, on 2018-December-01, 15:39, said:

But 3N might make opposite a Yarborough. ♠ x x x x x ♥ x x x ♦ x x ♣ x x x

You have a promising future convincing the EC to accept the Italian budget
But yes, it's food for thought - the hand is near game on it's own.

[Cyberyeti]

Tramticket, on 2018-December-01, 13:49, said:

Cyberyeti will bid 2NT.

I am happy to bid 3NT, which shows this type of hand in my partnership.

Entirely correct, I will bid 2N unbalanced GF, 3N would be exactly 4414 and big for us.

[neilkaz]

3NT shows this for me.

[ggwhiz]

neilkaz, on 2018-December-01, 16:34, said:

3NT shows this for me.

Me too. Makes opposite the spade ace and a club loser if they lead something that splits 4-4.

BTW, your 3nt bid to show spade support and a side void, really? Somebody do an autopsy on your opponents.

[nekthen]

This is a multi 2♦ for me. 9 playing tricks in a minor. Assuming that’s not available I rebid 3♣
1. I want partner to declare 3N
2. I do not want to give up on slam

Clearly 3♣ and 3N show similar hands, I think 3N indicates more of a gamble with stoppers that need protecting

[PhilG007]

pescetom, on 2018-December-01, 12:07, said:

Friday evening MP tournament, sitting in East this robust hand turned up.

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System is a fairly natural 2/1 5-card major, partner is inexperienced but promising and a precise bidder.

The natural bid is 1♣, although the possible rebids are not all plain sailing. But opening 2♣ is not going to help here and it's well outside our agreements for 2NT, even if one doesn't need K&R to see it is more like 21 than 17 points. So I guess it has to be 1♣ (2+cards, denies 5-card major). Partner responds 1♠ (4+ cards, does not deny 4-card ♦).
Your rebid here?

I would rebid 3♣ and pass the buck to partner. 3NT is tempting but the short red suits worry me as one of them
is almost certain to be led. And what if the clubs break badly? No 3♣ is the correct rebid and let partner make the final choice

[Tramticket]

nekthen, on 2018-December-02, 03:05, said:

This is a multi 2♦ for me. 9 playing tricks in a minor. Assuming that’s not available I rebid 3♣
1. I want partner to declare 3N
2. I do not want to give up on slam

You count this hand as 9 playing tricks?

I understand your argument that 3NT may play better with partner declaring. But I disagree that 3NT is giving up on slam if you have the agreement that 3NT shows length and strength in clubs - it can often pinpoint the minor suit slam.

[RD350LC]

PhilG007, on 2018-December-02, 07:36, said:

I would rebid 3♣ and pass the buck to partner. 3NT is tempting but the short red suits worry me as one of them
is almost certain to be led. And what if the clubs break badly? No 3♣ is the correct rebid and let partner make the final choice

For me, it is a close decision between 3♣ and 3NT. I am more likely to bid 3♣ for the reason described above.

[rmnka447]

I'm rebidding 3 ♣ as there is no assurance ♣ will run if partner has no fit.

[pescetom]

So no real surprises so far.
I preferred 3♣ which is open to 3NT and I hope hints for more.
Partner replied 3♥.

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Now?

[Tramticket]

pescetom, on 2018-December-02, 16:05, said:

Now?

Now you are guessing, wishing that you had bid 3NT last time. You can bid 3NT - but now opps KNOW to lead a diamond. Maybe partner has six spades? Maybe partner has a club fragment and 6C is there?

I guess 3S.

[helene_t]

3NT (after 1♠) is about right. Not perfect - partner will expect a singleton spades and may remove it to 5/6♣ with weak spades.

[ahydra]

If you have a way to show a good 3/6 (i.e. the Hand of Death), then 3S now stands out as it must show a doubleton. Otherwise, I bid 3NT.

ahydra

[gszes]

What strain r we playing in and how high? The best way to start this type of search would appear to be the fake reverse of 2d. This bid keeps the bidding low and Cyber's GF 2n at least keeps the bidding open but I still am not happy with losing an entire level of bidding when such a simple reverse is available. Partner has already bypassed diamonds so there should be no real danger in bidding 2d.

[The_Badger]

gszes, on 2018-December-03, 06:51, said:

What strain r we playing in and how high? The best way to start this type of search would appear to be the fake reverse of 2d. This bid keeps the bidding low and Cyber's GF 2n at least keeps the bidding open but I still am not happy with losing an entire level of bidding when such a simple reverse is available. Partner has already bypassed diamonds so there should be no real danger in bidding 2d.

Apologies, George, but I normally agree with your posts, but the problem I feel with bidding 2♦ here is when partner has 5♠s + 5♦s. Is he going to respond 1♦ to 1♣?

Fake reverses are fine as long as you don't become unstuck later. I agree with the other commentators that either 3♣ or 3NT are the only rebids depending on style.