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BTW, I wish everyone would stop bemoaning the lack of good/bad 2N. You can't just play whatever conventions you want at the time because they fit well for the hand. If you play good/bad you get a new hand:
KQx AQxxx xx xxx
The whole point of a bidding problem is to be just that, a problem. Busting out a specialized convention is not possible in a real world setting where you don't play the convention, why should it be here?
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Posted 2005-May-10, 15:31
Before the MSC started I noted my objection to using BBO Advanced because the bidding system wasn't documented to the depth necessary for this exercise...
If I am playing in a (presumably) expert level partnership, I expect to have some idea regarding whether or not Good?bad NT is available as an option...
Its a little annoying to participate in a graded exercise and recieve a zero for a hand because I made a mistaken assumption regarding what is/is not part of the system.
If I am playing in a (presumably) expert level partnership, I expect to have some idea regarding whether or not Good?bad NT is available as an option...
Its a little annoying to participate in a graded exercise and recieve a zero for a hand because I made a mistaken assumption regarding what is/is not part of the system.
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Posted 2005-May-10, 15:37
I'm not sure why you would expect good/bad to be part of the system. If it was, a footnote would/should be added. This reminds me of a rubber bridge game I play in. The first time i played the auction went:
1N p 2C p 2D p ?
I was 4-5 in the majors so i bid 3S (smolen) since the people in the game were compton/bramley/my dad at this point. Well apparantly these guys didnt know smolen because my pard raised to 4
Anyways, I am a firm believer that system should not be a big part of these problems, they should be judgement oriented.
1N p 2C p 2D p ?
I was 4-5 in the majors so i bid 3S (smolen) since the people in the game were compton/bramley/my dad at this point. Well apparantly these guys didnt know smolen because my pard raised to 4
Anyways, I am a firm believer that system should not be a big part of these problems, they should be judgement oriented.
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Posted 2005-May-10, 15:44
Jlall, on May 10 2005, 04:19 PM, said:
If you X and THEN BID 3D, that is stronger than a direct 3D (otherwise why did you X).
I agree, the hand is more than a typical 8, you'll note i said the range is 8-11 supp points.
I agree, the hand is more than a typical 8, you'll note i said the range is 8-11 supp points.
Thanks Justin, this was the type of deep disussion and analysis I was hoping for.
I did not expect good/bad 2nt to be part of system and expected a low score. Note I said "hardest hand of set". As Ben said no expert bemoaned the loss of it and that says alot. Hopefully you and other experts will "moan" if some commonly used expert convention is left out. Otherwise hopefully you can tell us, as you did here, how you solved the problem using common sense expert style. Thanks again for feedback.
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Posted 2005-May-10, 15:48
well the X then bid diamond approach isn't perfect by any means. Sometimes if you have a sound invite you just have to force to game, it just depends on your hand. Xing would tend to suggest a more cooperative hand though, so with a stiff spade I wouldnt reccomend it
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Posted 2005-May-10, 18:09
Jlall, on May 10 2005, 04:19 PM, said:
If you X and THEN BID 3D, that is stronger than a direct 3D (otherwise why did you X).
I agree, the hand is more than a typical 8, you'll note i said the range is 8-11 supp points.
I agree, the hand is more than a typical 8, you'll note i said the range is 8-11 supp points.
No, I didn't intend to bid again after my dbl unless my pd forces me to (which is not likely). I would pass over 3C/3D or even 3H (if possible).
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