[inquiry]

Scoring: IMP

BPO-001-G
West North East South
   Pass   1♦   Pass   1♥
   1♠    2♣    2♠    ?

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[hrothgar]

2NT.

Partner has both minors, however he could be x=x=4=5. 2NT is the best way to ensure that we declare our eight card fit...

[mike777]

2NT

I hope this is correct usage of Bergen's good/bad 2nt. If so, then p relays to 3c and I bid 3d showing weakish hand. Most difficult hand of set.

Must admit have seen many forum posts on Good/Bad 2nt and they just seem incorrect. Confusion seems to be when is it on or off? I am unsure myself.

[luke warm]

well i voted pass, but who knows? vulnerable at imps, i'm not real keen on bidding on

[pclayton]

Double. Translates into "a smattering of points and no good bid". Pard - "do something intelligent". I won't be upset with any call be makes, including pass. By the way, a 2N rebid by pard should be scrambling.

Pard can hold 5-4, 5-5, or 4-5 in the minors. I want to compete to 3 of a minor with my ruffing value and two bullets.

As the system develops, I predict 2N will become good/bad anyway.

[awm]

I'll bid 3♦ here. If 2NT is good/bad and it applies in this auction, I'll agree that could be a better call. Some other points:

If 2NT is natural, this is the wrong hand for it (too weak, too poor stoppers, to suit-oriented).

My partners and I do not open 1♦ with 4-5 in the minors. I have seen few good results from bidding this way (too often partner corrects to the shorter suit). Since 4441 is not really a possibility in this auction, I think partner's sequence guarantees five card diamonds.

I suppose we could win the post-mortem by doubling as "do something intelligent" and then load the blame on partner. But I think double here should be more penalty-oriented -- not a hand with a good minor fit and a couple aces. Obviously double's not based on a trump stack, but I'd expect a spade holding more like KQx than Ax (i.e. something with lower ODR).

[flytoox]

I think dbl is the right choice. Pd's 2c only shows 5-4minors, but didnt show which minor is longer. So I will let pd to pick a minor. If pd has good defensive strength. I dont mind he converts it to penalty.

[Free]

I voted 3♦...

[jillybean]

I'd bid 3♦ which probably makes your vote wrong Free.

[Fluffy]

a clear 3♦, maybe didn't read the system too carefully, was a 4-5 possible?

[HeartA]

Double (again!), yes!

[luke warm]

woo hooo, i'm the only pass can't wait to read what beverly says 'bout that heheh

[Elianna]

luke warm, on May 5 2005, 06:16 PM, said:

woo hooo, i'm the only pass can't wait to read what beverly says 'bout that heheh

You may be the only one to own up to it.

[Double !]

sorry to disappoint, but you're not alone. I, too, voted pass. I have no honors in either of partner's suits, not sure that I want to commit to 9 tricks unless P can bid again.

[mike777]

hrothgar, on May 5 2005, 01:25 PM, said:

2NT.

Partner has both minors, however he could be x=x=4=5. 2NT is the best way to ensure that we declare our eight card fit...

My old, old goren precision partner made a good point.

If opener is 4-5 and has made a free 2club bid they deserve to play in 3D.

[beatrix45]

Without a good rebid, partner could have passed over 1♠. If she is not shy, why should I be? Two bullets and three diamonds, bridge is a simple game, just prefer with 3♦. Odds are they have a nine card spade fit, will bid 3♠, and we will have to go quietly. Maybe we can beat it.

[shoeless]

Goota pass from me too

[han]

Double for me.

[Chamaco]

I do not like bidding any number of NT here: if pard has nothing in spades, the hand will pay 2+ tricks better in any suit.

Double is ok, if it shows "cards" , but to me it seems more like penalty in this sequence, so I would be really hesitant for such a bid, if it can be interpreted as pure penalty rather than cooperative.

Therefore, if I am afraid of doubling, little is left, because I believe any bid of 3 of minor would be an underbid.

With 2 Aces oposite an opener and a moderate fit in minors, I want to try game though, so I decided to cue 3S to ask for stopper: if pard has something, our Ax will be appreciated :-)

If not, I'll play 4 of a minor: a silly contract, but Ax stopper vs pard's xxx or xx rates to be an even worse 3NT contract.

[han]

Again, it would be great if the panel could agree on the meaning of a double in auctions like this. If double would not be clear to partner, then I would not double.