[rhm]

Phil, on 2018-June-07, 06:32, said:

I have only seen NFB's work well in an extremely conservative game, or after a precision 1♦ opener.

This observation is at odds with the fact that NFB are almost universally played in Poland and quite popular in surrounding countries.
They do not play an "extremely conservative game" over there.
It is my impression that the trade-offs are poorly understood in the US.

Rainer Herrmann

[benlessard]

By "extremely conservative game" I guess he mean in the political sense, players who bid 2M with 4pts can hardly be called more "conservative" than players who wait to have 10pts to bid 2M.

[Phil]

rhm, on 2018-June-08, 05:17, said:

This observation is at odds with the fact that NFB are almost universally played in Poland and quite popular in surrounding countries.
They do not play an "extremely conservative game" over there.
It is my impression that the trade-offs are poorly understood in the US.

Rainer Herrmann

So, about 80% of the time a Polish club is about the same hand type as precision 1!d.

Thanks for helping me make my case.

[benlessard]

In PC 1S-(2D)-2H is a neg free bid.

Bidding a 5 card suit after a bid that show a balanced range isnt really a neg free bid.

1Nt--(2H)--2S(to play) no players I know will call this a neg freebid.

If you bid with a hand that is 7-11pts its not a neg free bid in my book (but i understand why its simpler to say it is).

1C--(2D)--2M in PC is totally safe even with almost any 5 card suit and 7-11. The bid fit if opener got a bal hand or if hes art 17+. It doesnt fit my idea of neg freebid.

Over 1D prec its a bit different since opener can easily have a unbalanced hand, I know players that bid 2M with a crappy 5 card suit saying opener will have a bal hand 11-13 70%+ of the times but for me a neg freebid is like a weak 2, if its only a 5 card suit you need a very good suit quality good enough to play in a 5-1 fit. A neg freebid is a bid that partner is able to pass with a singleton support.