[Cyberyeti]

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In style (you open most rule of 19 hands unless there's a good reason not to) you open 1♠ in first seat (4 card but if only 4♠ will be 15+ points).

Partner responds 4♣ showing 4+ spades and specifically a void club aspirations beyond game, say 12+.

Do you feel your hand has got better, worse or stayed the same ? You have what might well be wasted values, but a lot of losers just disappeared.

The purpose of the question is that my choice of responses would be 4♦ (my hand hasn't got so much worse in the knowledge you have a void club that it's no longer an opening bid but I have 0 or 3 key cards outside clubs) or 4♠(it has got worse by enough).

I wasn't particularly happy with either choice.

[steve2005]

I don't think your hand got worse at least you don't have KQJ ♣ .
But for there to be a slam partner should be able to bid over your sign-off.

[Cyberyeti]

steve2005, on 2018-February-19, 15:33, said:

I don't think your hand got worse at least you don't have KQJ ♣ .
But for there to be a slam partner should be able to bid over your sign-off.

Not necessarily, what does it need ? AKxxx, Axxxx, xxx or similar gives excellent chances, are you expecting partner to bid on with that ? He's shown all of that except the 5th spade

[pescetom]

I feel your hand got a lot better, but that isn't so difficult
What happened in the end?

[steve2005]

Cyberyeti, on 2018-February-19, 15:42, said:

Not necessarily, what does it need ? AKxxx, Axxxx, xxx or similar gives excellent chances, are you expecting partner to bid on with that ? He's shown all of that except the 5th spade

Yes, we bid all 20 pt slams.
Get real you can't cater to this or you slam bidding % will be 25%

[MrAce]

I would sign-off with 0 useful keycards i hold. Pd is allowed to hold hands like

KJxxx
QJxx
KQJx
Void

or

Jxxx
AQJx
KQxxx
Void

where 5 level is too high.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2018-February-19, 15:52, said:

I feel your hand got a lot better, but that isn't so difficult
What happened in the end?

It wasn't relevant on the actual hand, I signed off and partner bid on, the auction proceeded 5♦-5♥-6♠, they didn't lead a heart, I ruffed out the diamonds and made 7.

He had AKJxx, xx, AQxxxx

And to MrAce, he shouldn't have the second of the hands you gave, I should have said, he should have one of the top 3 spades, although might bend that if he had a 5th one.

[Cyberyeti]

MrAce, on 2018-February-19, 17:47, said:

I would sign-off with 0 useful keycards i hold. Pd is allowed to hold hands like

KJxxx
QJxx
KQJx
Void

or

Jxxx
AQJx
KQxxx
Void

where 5 level is too high.

If partner holds these hands, the auction proceeds 4♦(0/3)-4♠, there is no issue, if partner has 3 he bids on, since you've committed beyond 4♠ opposite 2.

[blackshoe]

steve2005, on 2018-February-19, 17:11, said:

Yes, we bid all 20 pt slams.
Get real you can't cater to this or you slam bidding % will be 25%

Maybe I'm misreading this, but it sounds like you mean their success rate will be 25%. If they're lucky.

[nige1]

Cyberyeti, on 2018-February-19, 13:12, said:

In style (you open most rule of 19 hands unless there's a good reason not to) you open 1♠ in first seat (4 card but if only 4♠ will be 15+ points). Partner responds 4♣ showing 4+ spades and specifically a void club aspirations beyond game, say 12+. Do you feel your hand has got better, worse or stayed the same ? You have what might well be wasted values, but a lot of losers just disappeared. The purpose of the question is that my choice of responses would be 4♦ (my hand hasn't got so much worse in the knowledge you have a void club that it's no longer an opening bid but I have 0 or 3 key cards outside clubs) or 4♠(it has got worse by enoyour ugh). I wasn't particularly happy with either choice.

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Agree with 1♠ opening bid.
Partner's 4♣ improves your hand but as Mr Ace and Steve2005 point out, your lack of key-cards should give you pause for thought. It think it's a close decision. Nevertheless I rank

• 4♦ = CUE. You might well regret your enterprise but with controls in the plain-suits and reasonable trumps, IMO, you should be wary of hiding your light under a bushel.
• 4♠ = NAT but would you still sign-off with ♠ Q T x x x ♥ K x ♦ x ♣ A K x x x

[Cyberyeti]

nige1, on 2018-February-23, 10:40, said:

Agree with 1♠ opening bid.
Partner's 4♣ improves your hand but as Mr Ace and Steve2005 point out, your lack of key-cards should give you pause for thought. It think it's a close decision. Nevertheless I rank

• 4♦ = CUE. You might well regret your enterprise but with controls in the plain-suits and reasonable trumps, IMO, you should be wary of hiding your light under a bushel.
• 4♠ = NAT but would you still sign-off with ♠ Q T x x x ♥ K x ♦ x ♣ A K x x x

This is not the system you're playing, as described above, you only have 2 possible bids. 4♠ my hand has been made worse by the club void and isn't really an opening bid any more, is clearly what you would do with ♣KQxx(x), or 4♦ it is still an opening bid, I have 0 or 3 keycards excluding clubs.

[nige1]

Cyberyeti, on 2018-February-23, 15:27, said:

This is not the system you're playing, as described above, you only have 2 possible bids. 4♠ my hand has been made worse by the club void and isn't really an opening bid any more, is clearly what you would do with ♣KQxx(x), or 4♦ it is still an opening bid, I have 0 or 3 keycards excluding clubs

Sorry, I missed that. With such an agreement, 4♦ seems automatic.