[jerdonald]

BBO forum,

If I bid 4C it would show 16-17 HCP and 4+ trump support.
But with 5 of my points coming from a void I'm wasn't sure
it was appropriate since my hand has trick taking potential
but not real strength.

As per our partnership agreement 3C would show 13-15, first
round control in clubs and 4+ trump support.

I didn't suggest 4H because any bid I made below game was a
chance to investigate for free. Although the only really
good thing I could hear would be 3S so I could bid 4D and
kick it back to partner.

I eventually bid 3C leaving the next decision to partner
who didn't like his quacks so shut us off at 4H. He held:
S Axx
H QJxxx
D JTx
C Qx

If the diamond king and heart distribution were right we had
a chance at slam and in team play slam it would be a winner.
The king was off side.

Jerryd

[Tramticket]

jerdonald, on 2018-January-09, 16:46, said:

BBO forum,

He held:
S Axx
H QJxxx
D JTx
C Qx

4♣ won't get you to slam as partner will devalue for QX in clubs.

I am happy to stay in 4♥ on this.

[msjennifer]

Tramticket, on 2018-January-09, 05:34, said:

Partner can have those holdings.

Partner can also hold: XXX, AQJXX, XXX, AX. This will look like a maximum to partner, but even the four-level might not be safe.

With this hand he will sign off in 4H as his CA is useless.

[msjennifer]

jerdonald, on 2018-January-09, 16:46, said:

BBO forum,

If I bid 4C it would show 16-17 HCP and 4+ trump support.
But with 5 of my points coming from a void I'm wasn't sure
it was appropriate since my hand has trick taking potential
but not real strength.

As per our partnership agreement 3C would show 13-15, first
round control in clubs and 4+ trump support.

I didn't suggest 4H because any bid I made below game was a
chance to investigate for free. Although the only really
good thing I could hear would be 3S so I could bid 4D and
kick it back to partner.

I eventually bid 3C leaving the next decision to partner
who didn't like his quacks so shut us off at 4H. He held:
S Axx
H QJxxx
D JTx
C Qx

If the diamond king and heart distribution were right we had
a chance at slam and in team play slam it would be a winner.
The king was off side.

Jerryd

Sorry,but 16/17 HCP(mark the wordsHCP) are not shown by a 4C bid.Once the fit has been established the number of losers (LTC) comes into play.4C says that I have good support,I have a void or Singleton in the splintered suit AND at least a second round control in the remaining two suits and only a maximum of 5 Loers as played in hearts.It requests the partner to REVALUE his hand in light of all the given information.In the hand described by you later the responder has NINE losers and so he just signs of in 4H as 18 minus 14(9 Plus 5)=4 .

[maartenxq]

Tramticket, on 2018-January-09, 05:34, said:

Partner can have those holdings.

Partner can also hold: XXX, AQJXX, XXX, AX. This will look like a maximum to partner, but even the four-level might not be safe.

but then the bidding goes 4 ♣- 4 ♥Pass

Maarten Baltussen

[msjennifer]

SelfGovern, on 2018-January-09, 16:05, said:

There are two huge problems with a 3♦ bid:
1) Many will play it non-forcing, and while partner won't pass often, he sure will some of the time, and you'll be rather embarrassed in the post-mortem as you explain why you're in a 5-2 diamond fit instead of a 4-4 or better heart fit (and game).
2) It denies four hearts. This is a killer when partner raises your diamonds, and your heart calls are now seen as cuebids, not "to play" (as well as when partner passes 3♦).

1)A TOD and then a suit bid at 3level shows 16 /18 and is not passable when partner has shown 9/11 HCP .A 9 /15 hand will just overcall 1D .
2)I have already said that my bid will be 4C and not 3D.

[xbabarx]

4!h