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#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2017-August-11, 17:07



East double says " Takeout double --- 13+ TPs ".
Is this definition proper?
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Posted 2017-August-12, 04:46

Yes. That hand falls within the definition.
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Posted 2017-August-12, 22:19

View Poststeve2005, on 2017-August-12, 04:46, said:

Yes. That hand falls within the definition.
Is it a wise bid? What do you think!?

It is OK because it has 4 of each major at least but the response bid is poor simply 2NT is better then it bid 3H as not strong.
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Posted 2017-August-13, 01:02

I think (but would have helped to explain) Lycier's point may be that the descriptions usually include suit ranges, while here it seems to allow any distribution at all.
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Posted 2017-August-13, 07:37

Yes, I think so, thank you very much.
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Posted 2017-August-13, 19:03

A take-out double is defined as something like 13+ TP with support for the unbid suits OR 17+ anything. OK this is oversimplified but you get my point.

GIB does not give explanations containing OR.
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Posted 2017-August-13, 19:25

View Posthelene_t, on 2017-August-13, 19:03, said:

A take-out double is defined as something like 13+ TP with support for the unbid suits OR 17+ anything. OK this is oversimplified but you get my point.

GIB does not give explanations containing OR.

That's true, but precisely why this sounds like a buggy description. The same auction in hearts or spades, or a direct takeout of 1 of any suit, are all described as 13+ total points and shortness in the doubled suit (because GIB doesn't try to combine the strong hand distribution into the description with OR).
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