[ahydra]

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IMPs, club standard opps, EW playing 5cM weak NT. Generally one wants to bid a lot when vul at IMPs but East didn't like her hearts while West didn't like his CQ. Who should've been bolder?

The opps found the game by luck - East had the DA in with her hearts...

ahydra

[sfi]

Aces are good things...

[The_Badger]

East is worth a lot more than 2♥. With all those controls East is as near as damn it worth 4♥ immediately with a partner who has negative doubled a 2 level overcall vulnerable. 3♣ from East provides West with an opportunity to describe his hand further.

[gordontd]

The_Badger, on 2017-July-26, 05:53, said:

East is worth a lot more than 2♥. If I were East I would actually prefer my partner to play this hand so a 3♣ bid here on route to a possible 4♥ contract might provide that option. (On this hand, however, I believe that East will still end up as declarer though)

With all those controls East is as near as damn it worth 4♥ immediately with a partner who has negative doubled a 2 level overcall vulnerable. 3♣ from East provides West with an opportunity to describe his hand further.

South overcalled at the two level. Why would you want North to be on lead?

[The_Badger]

gordontd, on 2017-July-26, 06:05, said:

South overcalled at the two level. Why would you want North to be on lead?

Apologies all, and thanks Gordon. Seat nav pointing in wrong direction again. Got disoriented

[Cyberyeti]

Even if I invited with the E hand, not 100% sure I'd accept with the W hand.

I think this one is really quite difficult, and am actually not totally sure I want to be in it anyway, although with the 2♣ bid where it is I probably do. It's also not the simplest one to play.

[gordontd]

The_Badger, on 2017-July-26, 06:27, said:

Apologies all, and thanks Gordon. Seat nav pointing in wrong direction again. Got disoriented

I can relate to that. I'm very spatially challenged. I particularly get those things wrong playing online bridge with robots.

[eagles123]

East is closer to 4H than 2H

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I am torn between East and Neither, I went with East, but seeing that neither
got basically nothing I regret it, Neither is an real LA.
West has made a Neg. X, which alread promises a little more than 6/7 HCP,
i.e. he has a min hand for his call.
On the other hand, what ever one claims, the neg. X did not 100% gurantees
a 4 card heart suit, i.e. requiring East to jump to 3H is ok, but you dont
have to do it.


I have no idea, how good the game is, esp. after a trump lead and continuation
you may find it difficullt to get your tricks, but I am not really good at analyzing
this kind of stuff.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[ggwhiz]

The_Badger, on 2017-July-26, 05:53, said:

3♣ from East provides West with an opportunity to describe his hand further.

That bid would be game forcing to most would it not? I think East is worth a 3♥ bid though. Worry about heart quality is misplaced when you will be leading towards whatever West owns through the overcaller.

Red at imps, I would auto raise to game with the West cards.

[apollo1201]

Over a TOX (or similar Xs like the one above) it is generally a good thing to give "the whole" of your hand because the X is not auto-forcing. So with 15 great HCPs (aces and potentially establishable Ss), E should probably bid 3H. The weak Hs is actually a good thing as trump honors now rate to be split between partner and South who showed some strength for his overcall (and partner sits after, so finesses will often work).

I would bid 2H with
KQxxx
QJxx
Qx
Kx

Now after the jump, not sure W would add the 4th all the time, but red at IMPs...

[rmnka447]

West has done more than enough by making an aggressive negative double. East has seriously underbid the hand by bidding 2 ♥. IMO, East's proper bid is 3 .♥. That shows the value of the hand and leaves room for further action or exploration by West. West's hand at this point is still unlimited, so the extra room may be vital should West have more than was actually held.

At IMPs, West just carries on to 4 ♥ after 3 ♥.

[GrahamJson]

I agree with the previous poster that east is worth 3H. However I think that west should then pass, although perhaps it is close. Make the ♣Q the ♠Q and it is worth pushing to four.

[mr1303]

Whenever I bid 4H on these cards, I get bad breaks and good defense, and invariably go -1

[vladesch]

West had already bid all his strength. If anyone should invite it should be east.
I would bid 3h on east, but I think west should decline the invite.
Not sure I really want to be in game on this hand.
Maybe at IMPS. not at pairs scoring.

[sfi]

vladesch, on 2017-July-28, 00:15, said:

Not sure I really want to be in game on this hand.
Maybe at IMPS. not at pairs scoring.

It is vulnerable at IMPs. As you point out, this would be a different problem at pairs.

[helene_t]

Even if E bid 3♥ I am not sure I would accept with the West hand.

I think it's OK to miss this game, even vulnerable at IMPs. I admit that whichever lead you get it is likely to help you, but you still have a lot of work to do.