[luke warm]

fly, i'm assuming you're talking about 2/1 or sayc... if a 1 bid promises a 2 suited hand and is usually canape, and is 11-16, why is it wrong to open 1h?

[hrothgar]

flytoox, on Apr 17 2005, 12:03 AM, said:

hrothgar, on Apr 16 2005, 07:53 PM, said:

As to what you lose by passing:  You lose the ability to start describing your hand before the opponents find their Spade fit...

The problem with opening is that by rebid anything you DISTORT your hand.

Comment the First: As I said originally, I think that the system that is being imposed on us is flawed

Comment the Second: Even so, I'd make the best of it and open a mini-NT or 1♥

[hrothgar]

luke warm, on Apr 17 2005, 12:06 AM, said:

fly, i'm assuming you're talking about 2/1 or sayc... if a 1 bid promises a 2 suited hand and is usually canape, and is 11-16, why is it wrong to open 1h?

Jimmy,

I can find a bidding system that will fit any hand.
However, its not productive to do so.

When folks posit a question within the context of a specific system, its best if the answer bears some relation to said system...

For what its worth, I consider a 1♥ opening reasonable within the context of the system described. However, in doing so, I am conciously claiming that lying about my Heart length is better than passing...

[luke warm]

you're right richard, it's easy to construct hands that fit systems... even playing 2/1 long ago (with one partner), our 1h bid was alerted as 4+... that has always been a tough hand, x45x or x4x5... so yes, i'd open 1h with this hand unless my partner adamantly refused to play any 4M openings

i would *not* pass it except under that constraint

[mike777]

keylime, on Apr 16 2005, 03:46 PM, said:

I gave this hand to pard: no bid in 1st/2nd seat due to inability of proper rebid.

1D rebid 1nt over 1S.


I hope we are playing XYZ and yes I know I just promised 13-15. I assume this is how Meckwell bid all those 23-24 HCP games.
BTW is 1S limited to 7-15 HCP as in my 1972 book version I just dusted off?
BTW you do not mention and my 1972 book does not say but is a 2h reverse over 1s just bidding out shape or extra? If shape please change my rebid to 2H.
If I cannot open this hand in strong club system or sayc or 2/1, I despair.
Always thought Precision players open all 11 HCP unbalanced hands, can anyone name a few "name players" who do not?

[flytoox]

luke warm, on Apr 16 2005, 09:06 PM, said:

fly, i'm assuming you're talking about 2/1 or sayc... if a 1 bid promises a 2 suited hand and is usually canape, and is 11-16, why is it wrong to open 1h?

you r right, if playing canape, then 1H abosolutely,no problem. But in precision, 1H promises 5 cards.

[the hog]

hrothgar, on Apr 17 2005, 07:22 AM, said:

flytoox, on Apr 17 2005, 12:03 AM, said:

hrothgar, on Apr 16 2005, 07:53 PM, said:

As to what you lose by passing:  You lose the ability to start describing your hand before the opponents find their Spade fit...

The problem with opening is that by rebid anything you DISTORT your hand.

Comment the First: As I said originally, I think that the system that is being imposed on us is flawed

Comment the Second: Even so, I'd make the best of it and open a mini-NT or 1♥

No surprise that I agree with Richard here. Its also no surprise that I think 1H is better than passing, is not as good as a 10-12 NT. Those who advocate a pass should consider playing a big C system.

[keylime]

The other reason why I pass is because if pard finds an inverted raise, then I'm back at square one: 1D-2D-2H-2S......now what? 3C can't be forcing, I'm limited. 2NT, yuck. 3D might be passed. Boo.