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Worth a look?

Poll: Worth a look? (14 member(s) have cast votes)

Agree with first pass?

  1. Y (9 votes [64.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 64.29%

  2. N (4 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Other (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

Action now?

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 2H (12 votes [85.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  3. 2S (competitive?) (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  4. Other (1 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

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#1 User is offline   Jinksy 

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Posted 2016-November-26, 05:14



IMP pairs.

We're playing an 11.5-14 NT and Fantunes (meaning with an unbalanced hand, 10+ points and 5+ spades, P would have opened the bidding), so the best you can hope for opposite is a moderate balanced 11 count or a distributional 9-count.

Do you act now? Do you agree with the initial pass? Would 2♠ just be competing here?
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Posted 2016-November-26, 09:25

of course you make a game try. kxxxx xx xx kqxx is a balanced 8 count where game's worth bidding. how much more is partner going to take you for after you pass 1h?
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Posted 2016-November-26, 13:22

Why did I pass over 1♥ ? I can't have this problem, prefer X and 1♠ to pass
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Posted 2016-November-26, 14:05

I'm not overly keen on the first pass but I don't hate it - now surely we have to wake up - partner knows we're limited by our failure to X first time around
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Posted 2016-November-27, 02:45

If I don't cue bid on the second round, what kind of hand would? I can see an argument for 2NT (4 card raise) but other than that...
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Posted 2016-November-27, 03:03

Your first call depends on style and partnership agreements, but pass is the middle of the road call.

2H now is beyond obvious.
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Posted 2016-November-27, 03:03

View Postmr1303, on 2016-November-27, 02:45, said:

If I don't cue bid on the second round, what kind of hand would? I can see an argument for 2NT (4 card raise) but other than that...


I think playing 2 NT for ♠ raise in this position is not good.
We are not coming from pass. We passed 1♥. There is a huge difference between the two.
One of the reasons people pass with values is that when they bid our suit. And we will need 2 NT to be natural on this particular auction. A hand that was probably not good enough for 1 NT overcall or did not have the shape for it (such as stiff or void spade)
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Posted 2016-November-27, 06:08

View PostMrAce, on 2016-November-27, 03:03, said:

And we will need 2 NT to be natural on this particular auction. A hand that was probably not good enough for 1 NT overcall or did not have the shape for it (such as stiff or void spade)

Why do you believe 2N as NAT INV is needed here but not in response to a 2/1 or Fantunes 1♠ opening? Is it because the balancing 1♠ overcall doesn't promise 5+ S? If it does, then it can be treated much like a standard 1♠ opening except for the obvious range adjustments that have to be made. For example, if you play

1♠ = "11-21, 5+ S" (=> 1N = 5-12, semi-forcing),

then you can also play

P-(1♥)-P-(P); 1♠ = "7-10, 5+ S" (=> 1N = 9-16, semi-forcing)

and not be worse off after the balancing overcall than after the opening, at least in the otherwise uncontested bidding.
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