[Cyberyeti]

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Describe what you expect from the E hand, EW would not play 2N as artificial from W when he bid 3♣

[eagles123]

a huge hand with spades

[Cyberyeti]

 eagles123, on 2016-November-19, 03:41, said:

a huge hand with spades

How huge, and what do you do as W with:

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

[MrAce]

To be honest, this is a very ridiculous auction and I do not know why are you asking us to make a sense out of this nonsense?

West's actions does not make any sense whatsoever. Did he think if he bid 2♣ over redouble that will show strength? What made him bid a free 3♣ over 2♥ now that he could not do over redouble?
If E has a monster balanced hand, why is he still keep bidding on when it is obvious that partner is broke?
If East has a big hand with spades, why did he not start 2♠ over 1 ♠ ?

[MrAce]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-November-19, 05:23, said:

How huge, and what do you do as W with:

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

W can not have this hand.
I am looking at the forum and still see it is in I/A and not B/N forums.

[Cyberyeti]

I posted this here for the reason that this is the poll for a directorial. I was S. Opps were around the boundary between the two forums.

[MrAce]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-November-19, 05:39, said:

I posted this here for the reason that this is the poll for a directorial. I was S. Opps were around the boundary between the two forums.

I did not see any poll.
You asked us what E is likely to hold.
If your intention was to figure what W would do without UI with the hand you gave for W, at his level I would think my pd doubled so he has opening values, he did not like my clubs and wants to play spades, since one of the opponents opened and other one redoubled they must have at least 20 hcp which makes my pd hold about 14-15 hcp, so I would pass I guess.

Editted AI to UI.

[alok c]

Actually the auction makes little sense,as Mr Ace says.Is the system 2/1 with 5c major? Is weaker than pass is below opening hand?If so then East may be 17ish with ♠ suit & some♦.Now whatever West bid (3nt?) is a gamble.Pass.

[Cyberyeti]

 alok c, on 2016-November-19, 06:54, said:

Actually the auction makes little sense,as Mr Ace says.Is the system 2/1 with 5c major? Is weaker than pass is below opening hand?If so then East may be 17ish with ♠ suit & some♦.Now whatever West bid (3nt?) is a gamble.Pass.

System is Acol 4M.

There was lots of UI as to what the hand actually was, hesitations and questions, so I was trying to find out what people thought it showed without them.

Any bid now is dialling a number, with the UI pass was very obvious.

Another possible interpretation is that partner has doubled hearts for T/O and spades for T/O, so is looking for 3N with a big 4144/4135/4153 with 3♠, do I have a heart stop ? This would make sense for example if my partner had psyched (more likely if he'd been in third seat).

[eagles123]

what was the East hand lol

[eagles123]

what was the East hand lol

[Cyberyeti]

 eagles123, on 2016-November-19, 09:34, said:

what was the East hand lol

A 1♠ overcall for anybody with a brain unless playing IJOs which they weren't, 3♠ was -2 with anything higher being doubled.

[ggwhiz]

 Cyberyeti, on 2016-November-19, 05:23, said:

what do you do as W with:

x, K97x, xxx, K9xxx

The first thing I do is a massive facepalm for not having bid 2♣ over the redouble.

Then I'll bid 3nt and grab a handful of pass cards.

[Cyberyeti]

 ggwhiz, on 2016-November-19, 11:12, said:

The first thing I do is a massive facepalm for not having bid 2♣ over the redouble.

Then I'll bid 3nt and grab a handful of pass cards.

I thought this was in the frame, in which case you hear p-p-x-p-p-4♠-X-p-p-p 300-500 depending on how you play it

[eagles123]

I get the feeling that this is just classic B/I bad bidding

if E did have an IJO in spades, then no doubt the thought process was along the lines of, "I have too much to overcall 1S so I'll double... ah ***** THEY bid 1s panic panic guess I'll double again...well maybe I should show my spades now 3S

in my experience this standard of player will double then bid rather than overcall on hands which are way too weak - in the same way that they'll often open 2c on unsuitable hands as well.

[Cyberyeti]

 eagles123, on 2016-November-19, 11:48, said:

I get the feeling that this is just classic B/I bad bidding

if E did have an IJO in spades, then no doubt the thought process was along the lines of, "I have too much to overcall 1S so I'll double... ah ***** THEY bid 1s panic panic guess I'll double again...well maybe I should show my spades now 3S

in my experience this standard of player will double then bid rather than overcall on hands which are way too weak - in the same way that they'll often open 2c on unsuitable hands as well.

Yeah but the mass of hesitations and asking whether 1♠ was natural (who doesn't play it natural here ?) made clear that partner was going to take the bid as spades.

[wank]

 MrAce, on 2016-November-19, 05:25, said:

To be honest, this is a very ridiculous auction and I do not know why are you asking us to make a sense out of this nonsense?

West's actions does not make any sense whatsoever. Did he think if he bid 2♣ over redouble that will show strength? What made him bid a free 3♣ over 2♥ now that he could not do over redouble?
If E has a monster balanced hand, why is he still keep bidding on when it is obvious that partner is broke?
If East has a big hand with spades, why did he not start 2♠ over 1 ♠ ?

the auction's not ridiculous in itself. passing the redouble then making a free bid show an invitational hand, i.e. one too strong to bid x clubs originally (2 not showing values and 3 being a pre-empt). people occasionally psyche the redouble - i did it a couple of weeks ago.

[SteveMoe]

Assuming there are no bidding errors (I know, I know):
1♠ could very well be 4=4 majors and 2♥ is a simple 3-card limit raise.
The first Double is takeout, the second is penalty.
Suspect intervenor to have 5=1=(43) or similar with 2 cards better than opening bid.
3♣ might be the old treatment that one passes first with strength and bids later.
3♠ says good suit and possibly exposing a psyche by opener.

Cannot see a hand with enough ♣ to bid at 3-level that woudl ever pass the XX. Indeed with inv+ values and ♣ in 4th seat, perhaps a 2♥ cuebid can alert partner to the hoax XX.

[Cyberyeti]

 SteveMoe, on 2016-November-20, 09:45, said:

Assuming there are no bidding errors (I know, I know):
1♠ could very well be 4=4 majors and 2♥ is a simple 3-card limit raise.

Nope, weak no trump and no 4441s opened 1♥

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The first Double is takeout, the second is penalty.

Do you know this immediately ? or only after the 3♠ bid am I not allowed to double again with a 31(45)/3055/40(45)/4144 big hand

[jogs]

1♠ weaker than pass. What does that mean?
I think 1♠ should show shape, meaning 4 spades and 5+ hearts. Promises no extras HCP. But also does not deny extra HCP.