[Phil]

As you know, I've been working on a new partnership with the following treatments:

1. 1C is 2+ with transfers. All balanced patterns including 5M332 go through this. It includes 11-13, 17-19 and 24 balanced or 14+ with clubs.

2. 1D/1H/1S are all unbalanced and 14+ unless they have a side 4CM.

3. All 2 bids are min opening bids except 2D Multi.


Other twists are a GF relay over 1 bids and 1S 2D and 1H 2C show the other major. Another cute bid is 1D 2C which is 5+ but could be a bust.

We initially were switch a 1M response to 1D however upon consulation with Gary Zeiger, this was determined to non mid chart compliant. If you are using a response of 1x to show another suit, it needs to be constructive. Since 1D is fircing, we could theoretically make the call on a zero count.

We did quite well yesterday racking up 114 vps, 30 ahead of 2nd. We had a few system pickups, and a lot more where our opponents ended up in some silly contracts because of the methods. There was some uncertainty in some of our sequences which created some tension causing us to occasionally drop tricks.

Some aspects that were a huge gain were the ambiguous 1C opening. It comes up a LOT and when we declared, I think it was worth about 1/2 trick in the play alone as the defense is in the dark so much. The relays also worked well too, although I gave my self one bidding problem:

X AQx KQxxx AQJx. Partner opens 1C and through relays you discover 3=4=3=3 and 11-13 and partners last call is 3N. What's your next move?

Playing the swiss again today. The field will be a little tougher so we will need to be sharp!

[nullve]

Phil, on 2016-September-05, 08:42, said:

As you know, I've been working on a new partnership with the following treatments:

1. 1C is 2+ with transfers. All balanced patterns including 5M332 go through this. It includes 11-13, 17-19 and 24 balanced or 14+ with clubs.

2. 1D/1H/1S are all unbalanced and 14+ unless they have a side 4CM.

3. All 2 bids are min opening bids except 2D Multi.

What do you open with

a) "10-13", 3-S3-H5+D4+C
b) 20-23 bal.
c) 25+ bal.

?

Phil, on 2016-September-05, 08:42, said:

X AQx KQxxx AQJx. Partner opens 1C and through relays you discover 3=4=3=3 and 11-13 and partners last call is 3N. What's your next move?

I'm not going to pass 3N, so what are the other options I have?

This post has been edited by nullve: 2016-September-13, 00:14

[fromageGB]

> X AQx KQxxx AQJx. Partner opens 1C and through relays you discover 3=4=3=3 and 11-13 and partners last call is 3N. What's your next move?

4♥ ace ask in diamonds. If partner has forgotten that bit of the system, then I'm happy to play there.

[nige1]

Good idea. Short club with Fantunes Simple and belligerent

[Phil]

nullve, on 2016-September-06, 02:30, said:

What do you open with

a) "10-13", 3-S3-H5+m4+Om
b) 20-23 bal.
c) 25+ bal.

A) cant figure out your question sorry.
B) 2N is 20-21. 2D contains 22-23 bal.
C) 1C. Rebid of 2D contains this hand type.

[Phil]

fromageGB, on 2016-September-12, 08:30, said:

> X AQx KQxxx AQJx. Partner opens 1C and through relays you discover 3=4=3=3 and 11-13 and partners last call is 3N. What's your next move?

4♥ ace ask in diamonds. If partner has forgotten that bit of the system, then I'm happy to play there.

4H is ace ask in longest suit but maybe this should be more like kickback....

He'd remember.

[nullve]

Phil, on 2016-September-12, 18:06, said:

A) cant figure out your question sorry.

I don't blame you. I meant to ask what you open with "10-13", 3-S3-H5+D4+C (i.e. 0-3 S, 0-3 H, 5+ D and 4+ C).

Apparently you can't open 1♦, because

Quote

2. 1D/1H/1S are all unbalanced and 14+ unless they have a side 4CM.

But not 2♦, either, because

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3. All 2 bids are min opening bids except 2D Multi.

[helene_t]

What do you do with 11-13 and diamonds only, or 11-13 and both minors (longer diamonds or equal length)?

[nullve]

helene_t, on 2016-September-13, 02:17, said:

What do you do with 11-13 and diamonds only

How could I forget to ask about that!

[mike777]

helene_t, on 2016-September-13, 02:17, said:

What do you do with 11-13 and diamonds only, or 11-13 and both minors (longer diamonds or equal length)?

Is the multi 2d an option or pass?

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X AQx KQxxx AQJx. Partner opens 1C and through relays you discover 3=4=3=3 and 11-13 and partners last call is 3N. What's your next move?

I will try 4d if that sets trump and is a slam try.
Hopefully 4h now by responder over 4d is kickback for d, 4nt or 5d over 4d would just show some really lousy opening hand? You could play 5d is just some really lousy hand over 4d and 4nt over 4d is a hand with only a heart cue and nothing else?

[Phil]

nullve, on 2016-September-13, 00:26, said:

I don't blame you. I meant to ask what you open with "10-13", 3-S3-H5+D4+C (i.e. 0-3 S, 0-3 H, 5+ D and 4+ C).

Apparently you can't open 1♦, because


But not 2♦, either, because

True, 1D is 11+ in practice but we might be,dropping the multi - we do where its not allowed.

[mikestar13]

Phil, this is a nice idea! Would it be possible to share some more detail about 1♦/1♥/1♠ openings with 11-13 and a side 4 card major? If your method is workable, this would remove the main downside of Fantunes 2 bids.

[Phil]

mikestar13, on 2016-September-13, 19:07, said:

Phil, this is a nice idea! Would it be possible to share some more detail about 1♦/1♥/1♠ openings with 11-13 and a side 4 card major? If your method is workable, this would remove the main downside of Fantunes 2 bids.

Nothing really fancy Mike. Responderjust has to have a real GF to start the relays.

[mike777]

Phil, I assume you have some evidence that convinced you to not pass these "difficult 1D" type hands in first or second seat. I would love to hear it.

[fromageGB]

nullve, on 2016-September-06, 02:30, said:

What do you open with
a) "10-13", 3-S3-H5+D4+C

As I read it, 2254 is clearly 1♣ if 11-13, and the 1♣ description does not forbid unbalanced hands, so in the lack of clarity I'd say 1♣ for the others too. Personally, I'd drop the strength requirement for 1♦ so it reverts to a simple "balanced club, unbalanced diamond".

For the stronger balanced hands, having 17-19 and 24 (exactly) seems inefficient. I'd look at altering things to perhaps make this 17/18 and 23/24. Whatever bid covers 20-23 becomes 19-22.