[Phil]

3N. Partner is well aware you have long diamonds and not much more. If he has a stiff he expects to make 3N on power. If he's balanced our diamonds are valuable.

[iandayre]

Fluffy, on 2016-July-12, 02:27, said:

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I'd have to know who my partner is. I agree that I have something extra for my bidding and that I'd like to bid 3NT. Perhaps the vul opps are fooling aroung with nothing, but I believe at a minimum that the minors are not breaking. Form of scoring was not given, so at IMPS I will just have to bid 3NT. If I know that partner would not open 1NT with the 4225 16, I'll try it at MP too. Otherwise 3D, never pass.

I don't understand the questions about WJS available. This had too good for that action, if played. Which I don't.

[wank]

iandayre, on 2016-July-13, 10:48, said:

I don't understand the questions about WJS available. This had too good for that action, if played. Which I don't.

if you play WJS, rebidding the suit like this shows a constructive hand of some variety. in the european style this would show about 9-11 in which case all this hand has already been shown. of course if we were playing that style, fluffy would have told us.

[Winstonm]

This auction sounds to me like partner is 4414 - with a more balanced hand I would expect a 2NT rebid over the 1H overcall, as I don't consider the 1S forcing.

If partner is indeed 4414, the diamond hand is worth only 2 tricks unless the hearts turn out to be quite useful.

Overall, I find the auction quite confusing unless partner is pulling with 4306 distribution.

[msjennifer]

It is very difficult to imagine partners hand consistent with his
bidding.A 1S by him is a non-forcing bid.He did not know my hand until I bid 2D showing a six card suit and no preference for clubs or spades.(by passing or bidding 2C).However,he also knows now that the diamond suit must be a decent two level playable suit.But by bidding 2NT ,I presume that he has xx in diamond and his hand is something like ????,AQ,xx,????? And hence he invited .With such a good Diamond holding I am certainly going to accept his invitation and bid 3NT. However with an unknown partner ,who knows,whatever you bid may turn out wrong and on top someone will be impudent enough to say "Did not I warn you that I don't like diamonds ,however shiny you think they are ,at least in this deal?"

[forgo]

P has a very nice club suit in all probability .. although he may have QJx of diam and a fairly srong hand.. as I have
told him I am weak with nothing but diam.. possibly 6 to the k and another 3 or 4 points.. I must bid 3nt!!!

[mike777]

forgo, on 2016-July-14, 13:23, said:

P has a very nice club suit in all probability .. although he may have QJx of diam and a fairly srong hand.. as I have
told him I am weak with nothing but diam.. possibly 6 to the k and another 3 or 4 points.. I must bid 3nt!!!

If she has all of that then what do our expert/wc opp have for their vul bids....zero??

I keep trying to come up with 4 hands that justify all of this vul bidding and something fishy is going on unless you play partner for perfect cards that I mentioned in previous posts and looks a 1nt opening bid.

[mike777]

great thread...may we see the at the table deal?

[kenberg]

I once read a book. A bad habit, I know. Anyway, the author observed that in NT, with such a hand, we can expect to take nine tricks if the suit can be run and six, maybe seven, tricks if it cannot be run. We seldom take exactly eight tricks in NT with this holding. So I either bid 3D, where I will score at least four of my diamonds, or I bid 3NT.
I go with 3NT. Cock-eyed or not, I'm an optimist.

[Fluffy]

mike777, on 2016-July-16, 22:14, said:

great thread...may we see the at the table deal?

Don't think anyone expects partner's hand.

[p]KJ10x
♥A
♦xxx
♣AKJ109

[mike777]

Fluffy, on 2016-July-19, 00:16, said:

Don't think anyone expects partner's hand.

[p]KJ10x
♥A
♦xxx
♣AKJ109

and the full deal the opp hands?


if no one expects partners hand......sort of a silly deal

[Zelandakh]

Fluffy, on 2016-July-19, 00:16, said:

Don't think anyone expects partner's hand.

Did partner have a reason not to prefer 3♦ for an invite or were they just selecting random cards from the bidding box?