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Strong hand over a pre-empt

Poll: Strong hand over a pre-empt (34 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4NT (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

  4. 5 clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5 hearts (3 votes [8.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.82%

  6. 5 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 5NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 6 clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. other (1 votes [2.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.94%

  10. 4 spades (29 votes [85.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.29%

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#1 User is offline   VixTD 

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Posted 2016-March-08, 07:35

Matchpoints, both sides vulnerable:

You don't have any fancy agreements here, but you can bet that partner will understand a double to be primarily for takeout, 4NT showing two places to play.

What do you bid, and why?
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Posted 2016-March-08, 07:49

Had to pick other as 4S did not appear as a choice. So mark me down for 4S. I can't see any other option really, bidding any more is huge risk imo.
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Posted 2016-March-08, 12:15

View Postmcphee, on 2016-March-08, 07:49, said:

Had to pick other as 4S did not appear as a choice. So mark me down for 4S. I can't see any other option really, bidding any more is huge risk imo.

Sorry, I meant to include 4♠. I've added it in now, rather out of place.
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Posted 2016-March-08, 14:41

I'm also a 4 ♠ bidder. It seems the most likely plus score. After a preempt, it's better to get to a good spot than the perfect spot.
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Posted 2016-March-08, 14:44

Nothing is safe above 4♠ unless partner can move. Partner is an unpassed hand but so is lho and I could have less for this bid but not a whole bunch.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 04:39

Four spades Hobsons
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Posted 2016-March-09, 06:31

Absolutely automatic 4S, especially at MPs.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 08:17

View Postmcphee, on 2016-March-08, 07:49, said:

So mark me down for 4S. I can't see any other option really, bidding any more is huge risk imo.

View Postrmnka447, on 2016-March-08, 14:41, said:

I'm also a 4 ♠ bidder. It seems the most likely plus score.

View Postggwhiz, on 2016-March-08, 14:44, said:

Nothing is safe above 4♠ unless partner can move.

4♠ might be the best bid, but they still pay a bonus for slam, don't they? (Underbidding 4♠ is risky, too, and getting a plus score is not an end in itself at any form of scoring.)
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Posted 2016-March-09, 08:53

You have a nice hand IF (and that is a BIG if) partner has spade support. Your spades are weak, so if partner puts down a singleton, you could easily go down in 4S. On the other hand, if partner has Kxx of spades and the Ace of diamonds, only a 4-0 trump break beats 6S. But those are TWO specific cards you need to make slam good. I think 4S is pretty clear. Nothing else strikes me as reasonable.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 09:55

View PostVixTD, on 2016-March-08, 07:35, said:

Matchpoints, both sides vulnerable:

You don't have any fancy agreements here, but you can bet that partner will understand a double to be primarily for takeout, 4NT showing two places to play.

What do you bid, and why?



4 spades after a lot of soul searching. Not at all happy bidding such a flimsy suit at the 4 level in second seat vulnerable.
And it would serve me right if the rest of the ♠ suit was bunched on my left and a "DOUBLE" in a voice of thunder
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Posted 2016-March-09, 10:09

4♠. Partner may be able to make a move with good ♠ support and either red ace.

Opposite a singleton ♠ I may belong in ♣. However I will also need partner to have enough ♣ support to ruff my ♠ losers and either the ♦A or Q. Even if the ♦A is onside I may not be able to take the finesse safely.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 10:13

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-March-09, 09:55, said:

4 spades after a lot of soul searching. Not at all happy bidding such a flimsy suit at the 4 level in second seat vulnerable.
And it would serve me right if the rest of the ♠ suit was bunched on my left and a "DOUBLE" in a voice of thunder
was heard there.

I'm impressed. I would have bet money that you would pass.

Of course the VoT is one possible result. Just not the most likely one.


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Posted 2016-March-09, 10:24

View PostCaitlynne, on 2016-March-09, 08:53, said:

You have a nice hand IF (and that is a BIG if) partner has spade support.

Give partner as little as x-xxx-Qxxx-xxxxx.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 10:41

I'd not consider anything but 4♠ here. Note that partner might have a good hand with supports and an ace or two and make a further move.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 11:31

Stop-4♠ would portray our values nicely in a kitchen game. :P
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Posted 2016-March-09, 11:45

4S but it's darn close to 5H. Add the sJ and I'd take the high road.
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Posted 2016-March-09, 14:52

4 level pre-empt on my right with a 3 loser hand bidding 4♠ is way too weak, u are missing slam way to often given that your partner rates to have something, or LHO has the rest of the cards and 5♥ is likely to make anyways
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Posted 2016-March-09, 15:54

as long as i am budgeting for 2 trump losers & a !D (or vice-versa), I choose to bet on partners !H and not my !S. EL PASSO :)
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Posted 2016-March-10, 02:26

4N two places to play. I am not so worried about 5C and 5S both going down.
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Posted 2016-March-10, 03:56

4S even 2 down is a better result than ops making 4H!
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