[dorisga44]

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Contract 6♠ by South - imps, no interference during bidding

Lead ♥K, plan your play.

[hrothgar]

Win the ace of hearts
ruff a heart
ruff a club
ruff a heart
lead the king of clubs

if covered, i ruff, draw trump, and cross with a diamond and pitch my last heart and a diamond on good clubs

if not covered, i pitch a heart

[billw55]

Ditto hrothgar. Thinking of it another way, 6 trumps in hand + 2 red aces + 2 heart ruffs + 2 clubs = 12 tricks.

[hrothgar]

hrothgar, on 2015-December-29, 13:14, said:

Win the ace of hearts
ruff a heart
ruff a club
ruff a heart
lead the king of clubs

if covered, i ruff, draw trump, and cross with a diamond and pitch my last heart and a diamond on good clubs

if not covered, i pitch a heart

In retrospect, I think that its better to win the Ace of hearts and hook a diamond on the second trick

[alok c]

Take HA & ruff a heart.Take ruffing finesse on club discarding diamond.

[PhantomSac]

billw55, on 2015-December-29, 13:18, said:

Ditto hrothgar. Thinking of it another way, 6 trumps in hand + 2 red aces + 2 heart ruffs + 2 clubs = 12 tricks.

The problem is if the CA is offside you won't get 2 club tricks, LHO will win and return a diamond and you are finished even on 4-4 clubs.

[hrothgar]

PhantomSac, on 2015-December-29, 15:22, said:

The problem is if the CA is offside you won't get 2 club tricks, LHO will win and return a diamond and you are finished even on 4-4 clubs.

Sadly, I didn't figure this out until 4 minutes after my initial post

[PhantomSac]

alok c, on 2015-December-29, 14:52, said:

Take HA & ruff a heart.Take ruffing finesse on club discarding diamond.

In real life unless we showed a club void during the bidding how could RHO duck the ace of clubs? Surely if we take this line and they play low on the club K we should revert to ruffing it and playing a diamond. A heads up LHO will put in the K or the Q from Hx but sometimes they will have Hxx and we'll be alright (and depending on the opps often they won't put in an H from Hx).

I think this is a superior line to playing a diamond at trick 2 since I will make when RHO has the CA.

[dorisga44]

PhantomSac, on 2015-December-29, 15:34, said:

In real life unless we showed a club void during the bidding how could RHO duck the ace of clubs? Surely if we take this line and they play low on the club K we should revert to ruffing it and playing a diamond. A heads up LHO will put in the K or the Q from Hx but sometimes they will have Hxx and we'll be alright (and depending on the opps often they won't put in an H from Hx).

I think this is a superior line to playing a diamond at trick 2 since I will make when RHO has the CA.

OK, good point - I (as south) did bid 5♣ which was explained as a cue bid

[MRTRUB44]

dorisga44, on 2015-December-29, 13:03, said:

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Contract 6♠ by South - imps, no interference during bidding

Lead ♥K, plan your play.

If either clubs or hearts split badly (six two or worse) or the club Ace is on your left you are in trouble.
My (non expert) take on only chance -
Ace of hearts, ruff a heart
Lead King of clubs, planning to throw diamond loser. Ruff if covered with Ace
Lead Queen of clubs if still in dummy, throwing another diamond if not covered.
if LHO covers with club Ace, there is a trump left in dummy for a last entry - even if LHO leads back diamond.
If RHO covers with Ace, after ruff there are two entries in dummy.
This line seems to give some sort of chance of making, although much can go wrong - both unexpected ruff and running out of entries to dummy.

[nige1]

dorisga44, on 2015-December-29, 13:03, said:

Contract 6♠ by South - imps, no interference during bidding
Lead ♥K, plan your play.

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IMO

• Against good defenders, Hrothgar's 1st line seems better: ♥A. Ruff a ♥. Ruff a ♣. Ruff a ♥. Ruff-finesse ♣K (chuck a ♥ unless RHO plays ♣A).. If LHO has ♣A and exits in ♦, then you need a 4-4 ♣ split.
• The ♦ lines usually need a 3-2 ♦ break. Also, as PhantomSac points out, if LHO plays a ♦ honour, then, at best, declarer is on a nasty guess.

[rhm]

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[rhm]

PhantomSac, on 2015-December-29, 15:22, said:

The problem is if the CA is offside you won't get 2 club tricks, LHO will win and return a diamond and you are finished even on 4-4 clubs.

Why does it not make if clubs are 4-4?

Rainer Herrmann

[Lovera]

I think may be a possibilty if there is almost a top honor in diamond toghether A of club: how said double ruffing H/C then draw trump but one, ♦ J running ..

[billw55]

Bridge always turns out to be harder than it seems at first.

[PhantomSac]

rhm, on 2015-December-30, 07:12, said:

Why does it not make if clubs are 4-4?

Rainer Herrmann

I have no idea lol

[rhm]

PhantomSac, on 2015-December-30, 14:54, said:

I have no idea lol

If as you claim LHO returns a diamond after the club ace and clubs are 4-4, declarer wins in dummy and gets 2 club tricks.
2 heart ruffs, 2 clubs, 2 red aces and 6 trumps add up to 12.

Rainer Herrmann

[PhantomSac]

rhm, on 2015-December-31, 09:52, said:

If as you claim LHO returns a diamond after the club ace and clubs are 4-4, declarer wins in dummy and gets 2 club tricks.
2 heart ruffs, 2 clubs, 2 red aces and 6 trumps add up to 12.

Rainer Herrmann

What does a reply of "I have no idea" to "why does it not make if clubs are 4-4" mean to you lol.

I don't know why I thought it didn't make if clubs are 4-4, I was out to lunch sorry.

[wanoff]

PhantomSac, on 2015-December-31, 12:21, said:

What does a reply of "I have no idea" to "why does it not make if clubs are 4-4" mean to you lol.

I don't know why I thought it didn't make if clubs are 4-4, I was out to lunch sorry.

It doesn't matter, Rainer makes mistakes in the play as well - who doesn't.

[Dinarius]

Line 1.

Heart Ace,
Heart ruff,
Club ruff,
Heart ruff,
Club King.....

If covered, you ruff.

If not, you discard a heart.

West returns a diamond (if he wins the Ace Clubs)and now Clubs have to be no worse than 5/3 for two discards. Also, Hearts have to be no worse than 5/3 for the two ruffs. You then make 12 tricks.

Line 2.

The Diamond pips are superb. But, you have 8 of them. So, is 4/1 or 5/0 more likely than a favourable 5/3 (in two suits)in line 1.?

If not, then I finesse a diamond at trick two.

I think the odds might be better in line 2. though.

The % of a 5/3 split in Hearts and Clubs above is 47% each, individually. But, for BOTH suits to behave must be slightly less than that.

The % for Diamonds to be 3/2 is 68%. In addition, for just one of the honours to be right must be very high.

I favour Line 2.

D.