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Posted 2015-December-28, 19:10
This auction started the same at every table, this was the only one where South kept quiet. At quite a few, they didn't reach game at all.
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Posted 2015-December-28, 20:34
I'd blame East for not making a GT (or just bidding game?) way more than West. West's hand is flat so the 5 trumps aren't worth quite as much, and I'd rather have QJ in spades with ace of hearts than this way. West's hand is on the border & arguable, East hand is massively underbidding IMO.
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Posted 2015-December-28, 20:41
But we know that GIB simply counts 9 total points opposite 15 total points. And needing 11 total points for a limit raise is too much too.
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Posted 2015-December-28, 23:14
chasetb, on 2015-December-28, 19:10, said:
This auction started the same at every table, this was the only one where South kept quiet. At quite a few, they didn't reach game at all.
Don't be excited.
Now let's make a logic analysis.
1- If you really hold limited raise with 3-card ♠,the action would go :
1♠ - 1NT
2♠ - 4♠
It is a normal bidding sequences,ok?
2- However as for this hand,after 2♠ over response 1nt,would you decide to bid up to game at once?
Even you maybe say you will bid 3♠ to invite,then opener would also accept game. Push you hand at dummy,you maybe hold ♠A8732,♥QJ5,♦Q87,♣xx, how do you make 4♠?
And even you have 5-card ♠ support,but both of ♥QJ and ♣Q are soft values,actually overvalue.
So we should agree with Stephen Tu's opinion,and should blame East for not making a game try.And over opening 1♠, West raise to 2♠ is a normal bidding.
Strangely Stephen Tu is my objector in the past on this forum,now unconsciously I become his supporter.
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Posted 2015-December-28, 23:41
lycier, on 2015-December-28, 23:14, said:
Don't be excited.
Now let's make a logic analysis.
1- If you really hold limited raise with 3-card ♠,the action would go :
1♠ - 1NT
2♠ - 4♠
It is a normal bidding sequences,ok?
Now let's make a logic analysis.
1- If you really hold limited raise with 3-card ♠,the action would go :
1♠ - 1NT
2♠ - 4♠
It is a normal bidding sequences,ok?
Just curious, but what do you suggest is shown by
1♠ - 1NT
2? - 3♠
?
OK you would be showing 3 card Spade support opposite a 2C/2D/2H rebid, where you only require 2 card support opposite a 2S rebid, but I don't think that it denies 3 card support.
From recollection, I think that GIB plays
1♠ - 3♠
as a full value limit raise with 4 card support (a borderline choice on the OP hand) rather than a pre-emptive raise (also a borderline choice on the OP hand had that been the method agreed).
I am not really comfortable with 1♠ - 2♠ on 5 card support. But not a huge issue
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Masterminding (pron. m
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2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
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Posted 2015-December-29, 00:42
To be honest, I do not think 2♠ by W is unreasonable.
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