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#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2015-June-27, 20:02




Your Bid



West holds xx, xx, KQJxxx, xxx
Partnership plays mini-roman 1st/2nd seat and 2♦ opener could not be bid
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Posted 2015-June-27, 20:42

3nt.
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Posted 2015-June-27, 21:34

I'd start with a double, and probably end up in a hopeless 3NT on this layout...
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Posted 2015-June-28, 01:43

Double. We want to play 4H if partner has 4 hearts.
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Posted 2015-June-28, 02:44

I'd double, prepare myself for a bloodbath if partners converts it, raise 3♥ to 4, or more likely bid 3NT if patenrs bids 3♦ (no Lebensohl) or 2NT (Leb). It doesnt mean we'll make though!
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Posted 2015-June-28, 02:53

Dbl
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Posted 2015-June-28, 05:17

DBL...automatically...for all the reasons stated above
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Posted 2015-June-28, 15:29

Strange board but answer is not dbl. We cant take positive x at level 2. Take out x shows 3- op's maj and 3+ other
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Posted 2015-June-28, 16:05

double obviously
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Posted 2015-June-28, 16:13

View Postantalya007, on 2015-June-28, 15:29, said:

Strange board but answer is not dbl. We cant take positive x at level 2. Take out x shows 3- op's maj and 3+ other


You are absolutely wrong if you think dbl shows only and only 3 other suits.

Double shows1 of 2 things.

1-an opener with 3+ in unbid suits.
2-a hand which is too strong to pass and willing to start double and then bid again.

You have 20 hcp. In theory you need 5+ hcp from pd to make game. If pd has 5+ cards in ♥ or ♣ suit you may not even need much of a strength at all to play a reasonable game. I agree that if pd bids 3♦ you have a problem and decision to make. This is why people preempt a lot as much as they can. I am not advocating that my choice( DBL) necessarily will lead to a good outcome nor saying that this hand MUST double. Merely saying that your knowledge about what a take out double shows is incomplete.
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Posted 2015-June-28, 17:40

Double, correcting hearts to 3NT (whether we get there via lebensohl or not). Anything else is wrong.
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Posted 2015-June-28, 22:00

View Postjodepp, on 2015-June-28, 17:40, said:

Double, correcting hearts diamonds to 3NT (whether we get there via lebensohl or not). Anything else is wrong.


FYP
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Posted 2015-June-28, 23:22

A person hopes, but people hope.
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Posted 2015-June-29, 11:24

View Postdickiegera, on 2015-June-27, 20:02, said:




Your Bid



West holds xx, xx, KQJxxx, xxx
Partnership plays mini-roman 1st/2nd seat and 2♦ opener could not be bid


Surely dbl is the only possible bid here
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Posted 2015-June-29, 11:43

View Postjmcilkley, on 2015-June-29, 11:24, said:

Surely dbl is the only call possible here


FYP B-)
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Posted 2015-June-29, 12:24

X..WTP?
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Posted 2015-June-29, 12:43

Interesting side question: with so much strength, after doubling, what do you do when partner Lebens?
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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