[diana_eva]

 kuhchung, on 2015-June-30, 17:36, said:

Did we save your marriage, Diana?

You were supposed to say "Pass, you stupid ***"

But it worked out OK in the end

[Zelandakh]

 PhilKing, on 2015-June-30, 17:26, said:

Anyway, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that solving range and differentiating between singletons and voids is just too difficult - not systemically, but in practice it just increased the chances of partner making a fatal error and/or using up so much extra time remembering the responses that we get in to time trouble yet again. So I just use continuations that can be used in multiple sequences.

Not sure I agree with this PK. A logical extension of the scheme I mentioned earlier is to use the first step after a relay to show a void and subsequent steps for singletons. That also happens to match one way of handling splinters so you can take the same logic with you to other sequences. So

1♥ - 2NT
==
3♣ = min + shortage
... - 3♦ = relay
... - ... - 3♥ = void (3♠ asks)
... - ... - 3♠ = sgl spade
... - ... - 3NT = sgl diamond
... - ... - 4♣= sgl club + spade cue
... - ... - 4♦= sgl club + diamond cue
3♦ = extras + shortage
... - 3♥ = relay
... - ... - 3♠ = void (3NT asks)
... - ... - 3NT = sgl spade
... - ... - 4♣= sgl club
... - ... - 4♦ = sgl diamond + club cue (or use your usual splinter logic for the additional piece of information (Last Train or whatever)
... - ... - 4♥= sgl diamond - club cue
3♥ = min without shortage
... - 3♠ = Frivolous
3♠ = extras without shortage
... - 3NT = spade cue

Most would want to reverse the min/extras steps to give extra space on hands in the slam zone. Similarly for using the first step as any singleton and higher steps for specific voids. Within the context of playing 1♥ - 3♠ as a void splinter (any suit) and 3NT/4m as singleton splinters, the above makes perfect sense. And it is really not at all difficult to remember.

[PhilKing]

 Zelandakh, on 2015-July-01, 08:35, said:

Not sure I agree with this PK.

I have the scars to prove it.

[lycier]

Anyway,how to define 2nt is an important part of Jacoby 2nt.
Assume responder only with minimum hand be as a captain and ask the feature of opener with unlimited strength,it is rediculous for what responder get conclusion in many situations.
If responder can't promise extra values,disaster is easy to happen,whatever you have some agreement on the following-up auctions.


Save my marriage = Save my partnership,thanks to diana for providing us such good topic.

[diana_eva]

 lycier, on 2015-July-01, 09:49, said:

...
Save my marriage = Save my partnership,thanks to diana for providing us such good topic.

You are welcome. 14 years of marriage today and counting Partnerships is safe, Jacoby cannot defeat us.

[kuhchung]

Ah, but what about Fishbein!?

[diana_eva]

 kuhchung, on 2015-July-02, 12:02, said:

Ah, but what about Fishbein!?

Serious 3NT might do the trick which is why I'm reluctant to propose it.

[kuhchung]

"I seriously wanted to play 3NT"