Feel free to comment that you wouldn't open this load of trash
Save my marriage - your bid?
#1
Posted 2015-June-27, 14:36
Feel free to comment that you wouldn't open this load of trash
#2
Posted 2015-June-27, 14:41
I know the hand.
Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
#3
Posted 2015-June-27, 15:08
fwiw i think 3c is obvious
#4
Posted 2015-June-27, 15:15
#5
Posted 2015-June-27, 16:25
diana_eva, on 2015-June-27, 14:36, said:
FYP
#6
Posted 2015-June-27, 16:38
#7
Posted 2015-June-27, 18:26
#8
Posted 2015-June-27, 18:51
#9
Posted 2015-June-28, 00:42
diana_eva, on 2015-June-27, 14:36, said:
OK. I will boldly go where no one else on the forums will. I would not open that load of trash. It's not that I think opening it is bad, but that I have had many more unfortunate results than good ones after opening a marginal hand with 11 HCP. I can seldom convince my CHO to lower his level of enthusiasm until it is too late. If the hand was QJx AKxxx JTxx x instead, so I would be happy to have the suit led on defense, I would risk a 1H opening, but even then I would not be enthusiastic about it. With AKx QJxxx JTxx x, however, I think risk is greater than reward. My general philosophy is not to ask how MUCH I can bid as opener or responder, but instead to ask first how LITTLE I can bid. I like partner to expect me to have good values, and I like holding extras too. After limiting my hand first, it is easy to bid more later to show values. But when I stretch to bid too high early, I can never tell partner that I may regret it later.
#10
Posted 2015-June-28, 02:50
PhantomSac, on 2015-June-27, 16:25, said:
Yep that was the debate. So we have agreed now that it's OK to show shortness even with a min hand.
Those who know the hand will know that there were lots more divorce reasons on it, besides my 3C LOL. But anyway, this one is settled - I'll plead guilty to the other counts
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Posted 2015-June-28, 02:54
#12
Posted 2015-June-28, 02:56
#13
Posted 2015-June-28, 04:44
apollo1201, on 2015-June-28, 02:56, said:
Diana, you'll have to post the whole sequence and hands as post-mortem now!
Hi Diana_eva
Good topic.
First of all,I am very sorry,without your prior consent,I released this hand.I think error is not a simple thing,even not caused by one person.
1- I know both of opener and responder are temporary partners,not regular.
2- There are some issues in standard Jacoby 2nt.
In according to the approach of Audrey Grant (www.AudreyGrant.com),if you directly bid up to 4♥,showing minmum hand without singleton or void.
With this hand,you should rebid 3♣ ,showing singleton or void in clubs because this is likely to be the most useful feature in this hand to help responder decide whether to pursue a slam.
However with this hand,a great pity that the responder can't recognize his hand after 3♣. As we know it is very important to reevaluate after 3♣ showing S/V.In the face of S/V in ♣, responder's ♣K in ♣ suit is wasted point,now actually there are only 11 working points in responder's hand,obviously it is a decreased values.so responder would better jump bid to 4♥,or if play non-serious 3nt,responder can rebid 3nt after 3♠,let opener describe own hand again, this is the last life-saving straw.I am afraid responder think opener might have some extra values especially after cuebid 3♠.
When with this opener's minmum hand with a Ace and a singleton in some side suit,how to handle?
After Jacoby 2nt, opener bid up to game without S/V in the minmum hand while responder have extra values,now how to do next?
It is very difficult to handle by traditional standard Jacoby 2nt. Traditional standard Jacoby 2nt is very rough actually.
World famous USA expert of two over one bidding system,Max Hardy and his partner Jimmy Jacoby,they thought all of disasters of Jacoby 2nt are caused by responder without extra values to be wrongly as a captain ,when no extra values with 12-14hcp ,responder can't afford the unsuccessful failure of imaginative slam.
So Jimmy Jacoby had revised anew Jacoby 2nt before dying,in which it ask responder have to 15+hcp at least with 4-card support.
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Posted 2015-June-28, 04:57
#16
Posted 2015-June-28, 05:12
#17
Posted 2015-June-28, 05:18
One effective method uses the 3C response as an artificial bid to show any minimum hand (with or without a shortage).
After 1M - 2NT - 3C responder will often be able to sign off in 4M, confident that no minimum hand with a shortage will produce slam. This avoids giving away any unnecessary information about opener's shape. If responder does still want to explore slam they can continue with 3D which asks again for shortage.
Hands with extra values and short clubs can either go via 1M - 2NT - 3M, or you could simply keep it natural and make those hands bid 4C.
#18
Posted 2015-June-28, 05:26
WesleyC, on 2015-June-28, 05:18, said:
One effective method uses the 3C response as an artificial bid to show any minimum hand (with or without a shortage).
After 1M - 2NT - 3C responder will often be able to sign off in 4M, confident that no minimum hand with a shortage will produce slam. This avoids giving away any unnecessary information about opener's shape. If responder does still want to explore slam they can continue with 3D which asks again for shortage.
Hands with extra values and short clubs can either go via 1M - 2NT - 3M, or you could simply keep it natural and make those hands bid 4C.
What you said is just style I play.
Of course,it is well known to all that any improvement on Jacoby 2nt is better than the standard Jacoby 2nt.
#19
Posted 2015-June-28, 05:36
lycier, on 2015-June-28, 05:26, said:
Of course,it is well known to all that any improvement on Jacoby 2nt is better than the standard Jacoby 2nt.
TBH I never felt the need to improve std Jacoby, it's not like our bidding judgement has reached the level to finetune so much. Even on this hand, what killed us was not that std jacoby sucks, but my inability to count to 1.
#20
Posted 2015-June-28, 07:32
PhantomSac, on 2015-June-27, 16:25, said:
Does this mean you don't think much of Swedish responses (or whatever they're called) - 3C as 'any min', where 3HSN show shortage and nonmin?