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with 11-15 and 4414 4315 3415 0r 4405 OPEN 2D
Pard bids 2NT for further information? -- responses are
3C = 3415
3D= 4315
3H = min 4414
3S= Max 4414
3NT = max with singleton A D
4C = min 4405
4D= max 4405
The great thing with Precision is that you can bid something like 1H 2minor 2S without showing more than 5H and 4S and less than 15 points ( u need 10+ points to bid the 2D
) and as sombody else noted 1M followed by 3 minor would show 5/5 at least -- BUT STILL maximum of 15 points. My reg pard and I at local club ( where MOST play Acol ) are constantly doing OK cos opps say "we were only trying to push you up one level " and we PASS ;DQuote
I am talking about Precision as taught by Wei and Goren with some modifications I have found desirable. An expert may well be better served by an aggressive RM type Precision or even better yet by Moscito or a Polish Club type system. But a beginner/intermediate won't be.
I also don't think that the purpose of Precision is to open hands that SAYC players pass--it is to get better results on the hands we bid. Precision is clearly superior with the Bridge World Hand of Death and its relatives. It is good with shapely 15's and 16's and good 14's. To my mind, an auction like 1SP - 1NT - 3CL showing shape but limited HCP is Precision's distinctive virtue.
Re 2CL I'd love to limit this to a 6 card suit, but this imposes too much distortion on the rest of the system. The first time a beginning Precision player hears 1DI - 3DI when he just opened with 4-4-0-5 will drive him back to SAYC. The old style Precision 2DI is better, but hard to handle if it includes 5-4-3-1 shapes.
Now some of these problems go away if we open 4 card majors regularly, but then we aren't playing Precision: it's a different system*.
In fact, Precision as described by by the last two posts sounds to me more like Moscito--which is a fine system for experienced players but I wouldn't dream of teaching to an intermediate player wanting to branch out from Standard.
In short, I believe a somewhat conservative Precision is a good first non-standard system.
(* Note that opening 1HE on exactly 4-4-1-4 is uncommon enough that it really doesn't cause much distortion in major suit auctions: the 4M-5CL hands are much more common.)
I also don't think that the purpose of Precision is to open hands that SAYC players pass--it is to get better results on the hands we bid. Precision is clearly superior with the Bridge World Hand of Death and its relatives. It is good with shapely 15's and 16's and good 14's. To my mind, an auction like 1SP - 1NT - 3CL showing shape but limited HCP is Precision's distinctive virtue.
Re 2CL I'd love to limit this to a 6 card suit, but this imposes too much distortion on the rest of the system. The first time a beginning Precision player hears 1DI - 3DI when he just opened with 4-4-0-5 will drive him back to SAYC. The old style Precision 2DI is better, but hard to handle if it includes 5-4-3-1 shapes.
Now some of these problems go away if we open 4 card majors regularly, but then we aren't playing Precision: it's a different system*.
In fact, Precision as described by by the last two posts sounds to me more like Moscito--which is a fine system for experienced players but I wouldn't dream of teaching to an intermediate player wanting to branch out from Standard.
In short, I believe a somewhat conservative Precision is a good first non-standard system.
(* Note that opening 1HE on exactly 4-4-1-4 is uncommon enough that it really doesn't cause much distortion in major suit auctions: the 4M-5CL hands are much more common.)