[aguahombre]

Vampyr, on 2015-June-15, 15:27, said:

This is at best tangential to the topic at hand, since there is no evidence that any "international" anything was asked their opinion.

We have a statement by the OP that two internationals gave a ruling about what is a LA; I disputed that contention because I don't believe any player or TD with any kind of international stature would do that; how is that not on-topic?

[Aardv]

aguahombre, on 2015-June-15, 15:46, said:

We have a statement by the OP that two internationals gave a ruling about what is a LA; I disputed that contention because I don't believe any player or TD with any kind of international stature would do that; how is that not on-topic?

I think you misread that.

[lamford]

aguahombre, on 2015-June-15, 15:46, said:

We have a statement by the OP that two internationals gave a ruling about what is a LA; I disputed that contention because I don't believe any player or TD with any kind of international stature would do that; how is that not on-topic?

I cannot see any statement by the OP that two internationals gave a ruling about what is an LA.

"EW ask him whether he polled any players and he said he just polled the directors as they didn't have the time in a small event (60 tables). EW elected to appeal. The appeal committee was made up of one experienced tournament player, one experienced tournament director and one less experienced tournament director (despite the fact that two internationals - Mike Bell and Glyn Liggins - were present)."

I presume that "were present" means "were present playing at the event" rather than "were present at the AC", but I might be misreading it, although I am pleased to see that Aardv, almost simultaneously, came to the same conclusion.

[paulg]

KurtGodel, on 2015-June-15, 02:34, said:

This was an EBU event (Oxfordshire congress), and I could give the names of all the people involved if you want. I was basically wondering whether it was worth appealing this to the Laws and Ethics committee.

If you are seriously considering this, then it is important to understand the process and any time limits. I expect that the regulating authority was the Oxfordshire Bridge Association and its process is the first port of call. I doubt that the EBU Laws and Ethics Committee would consider any case before the county process has been exhausted.

[Vampyr]

paulg, on 2015-June-16, 01:17, said:

If you are seriously considering this, then it is important to understand the process and any time limits. I expect that the regulating authority was the Oxfordshire Bridge Association and its process is the first port of call. I doubt that the EBU Laws and Ethics Committee would consider any case before the county process has been exhausted.

Is there actually a county process? In London there is not, as far as I am aware (and I did use to be on the committee).

[Pig Trader]

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The appeal committee was made up of one experienced tournament player, one experienced tournament director and one less experienced tournament director.

The two TDs on the Appeal Committee could not have been EBU TDs as none were playing in the event.

[gordontd]

Pig Trader, on 2015-June-16, 16:13, said:

The two TDs on the Appeal Committee could not have been EBU TDs as none were playing in the event.

Double!

[Cyberyeti]

Vampyr, on 2015-June-16, 02:20, said:

Is there actually a county process? In London there is not, as far as I am aware (and I did use to be on the committee).

There should be one, Norfolk had to work one of these out after I appealed one in our Corwen quali a few years back, and the EBU wouldn't touch it till the county procedure had been exhausted.

[dburn]

Did anyone ask South why he doubled 1♥?

[paulg]

Vampyr, on 2015-June-16, 02:20, said:

Is there actually a county process? In London there is not, as far as I am aware (and I did use to be on the committee).

I presume that the county's Competition Bylaws would apply to the congress - http://www.oxfordshi...oba/bylaws.html. It seems that appeals should be made to the county within seven days of the event.

[billw55]

I definitely think that passing 4♥ is an LA.

As for the directors, it seems that they basically ruled "stop bugging me".

[nige1]

billw55, on 2015-June-17, 13:18, said:

I definitely think that passing 4♥ is an LA. As for the directors, it seems that they basically ruled "stop bugging me".

The director polled fellow directors instead of players? Then he formed the appeals committee from fellow directors when qualified players were available.? This fits BBF reports of the kind of thing that happens at international level, without appeals committees

On the evidence available, EW deserved a more favourable ruling. But even if the ruling is correct, it would be better were justice seen to be done.

BTW, is this the right forum?

[blackshoe]

Probably not. I'll move it.