[Brandal]

luke warm, on Mar 20 2005, 10:25 AM, said:

imagine you and your partner sit n/s... your e/w opps are not playing against you, they're playing against all other e/w pairs... if you give information to them that is unavailable to the other e/w pairs, and if the giving of this info is counter to the laws of bridge, and if the possession of this info results in your e/w receiving a higher score than other e/w, you have (albeit inadvertantly and with the purest of motives) harmed others... do you see?

you can't think only about the e/w pair sitting at your table... you have a responsibility to: your partner; your opps; all other n/s pairs; all other e/w pairs; the game of bridge..

that's what luis was speaking about, imo, and he's right

Indeed I see the point luke,it's not really
about not understanding the point anymore

If me and a pickup pd or in an indy have agreed
weak 2,is it allowed to write "weak 2"?

We didn't have time to specify strength,style
is "weak 2" unethical in that scenario,not going
deeper into it than that?

Or is that also unethical because we haven't agreed
strength,length,style,responses and so on?



Frode

[luke warm]

ok, if i'm in an indy (God forbid) and i play with a pickup pard and i open 2H, i alert as "weak"... if opps ask anything at all i say "my weak 2 bids usually show 6+ cards and are usually <11 hcp"

i only alert the bid because different people play 2 bids differently, even tho (i think) weak 2s are standard

[TimG]

luke warm, on Mar 20 2005, 10:25 AM, said:

and if the giving of this info is counter to the laws of bridge

Nobody has yet cited a Law which suggests over-disclosure* is counter to the Laws of bridge.

Tim

* Not that I think the kind of discloser Brandal is talking about is over-disclosure.

[Brandal]

luke warm, on Mar 20 2005, 11:04 AM, said:

ok, if i'm in an indy (God forbid) and i play with a pickup pard and i open 2H, i alert as "weak"... if opps ask anything at all i say "my weak 2 bids usually show 6+ cards and are usually <11 hcp"

i only alert the bid because different people play 2 bids differently, even tho (i think) weak 2s are standard

I don't play indy myself,and I never play
tourneys with pickup partners without panning
out most used conventions and bids

I'm satisfied now,it was more a principle question
for me,I could just as easily asked why do people
who are regular partners explain 2C opening with
"precision" or "WJ" or "WYSIWYG" lol

[the hog]

Brandal, on Mar 21 2005, 02:35 AM, said:

I'm satisfied now,it was more a principle question
for me,I could just as easily asked why do people
who are regular partners explain 2C opening with
"precision" or "WJ" or "WYSIWYG" lol

Maybe because its a heck of a lot easier to type "Precision" than
"11-15, 5+C and a 4 card Major, or 6C. Not 5C and 4D, won't be 2425 or 2445 with good doubleton holdings and won't be 3415 or 4315". This is what you get if you want full disclosure.

Also maybe because everyone knows what a Precision 2c opening is.

Maybe you could use the same argument against all those that don't alert Stayman and its many possible flavours - garbage, always shows values , doesn't promise a 4 card M etc etc.

[Brandal]

The_Hog, on Mar 20 2005, 04:57 PM, said:

regular partners explain 2C opening with "precision" or "WJ"

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Maybe because its a heck of a lot easier to type "Precision" than
"11-15, 5+C and a 4 card Major, or 6C. Not 5C and 4D, won't be 2425 or 2445 with good doubleton holdings and won't be 3415 or 4315". This is what you get if you want full disclosure.

Also maybe because everyone knows what a Precision 2c opening is.

Maybe you could use the same argument against all those that don't alert Stayman and its many possible flavours - garbage, always shows values , doesn't promise a 4 card M etc etc.

When I wrote _regular partners explain 2C opening with "precision" or "WJ"_
I meant they explained when asked,and that isn't good enough I think.

[bearmum]

TimG, on Mar 20 2005, 08:18 AM, said:

2♠-P-3N-All pass

After the 2♠ opening bid, the next players asked: "does 2♠ deny four hearts?"  Would you be at all suspicious if opening leader produces a heart?

POST edited

OK - I assume this was this F2F with convention cards available?

IF the question was ASKED at the table by the person on the Left hand of the 2!s bidder who could NOT bid or double no matter WHAT the answer!!!

NOW after the bidding as shown IF the opening lead WAS a !h (UNLESS from 4 or 5 NICE Hearts) and the 3NT went off due to the fact that the questioner HAD NICE !hs -----I would call the director --- and say I think the whole thing was a result of UI by opps