[Bbradley62]

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I guess that if South has 4 hearts, he's supposed to bid 3♥ over 2N (assuming he's accepting the game invite)? What would 2♣♦♥ be over 1N?

[steve2005]

2N by Gib N seems odds. No ♣ stopper. Why not 2♥ to show 4♥. Sure maybe p will think 5♠ but only 1 card off and p may have 4♥.

[Stephen Tu]

16-20 seems an overly wide range also for the 1nt bid. Shouldn't it be like 16-18 or 15-17, with the 19-20 balancing with 2nt?

I wouldn't want to be in 2nt with 16 opposite 6. 2♥ seems clear to me, if opener has more he can raise, but I don't feel like 19-20 should be in this bid.

[lycier]

Bbradley62, on 2015-February-15, 17:37, said:

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I guess that if South has 4 hearts, he's supposed to bid 3♥ over 2N (assuming he's accepting the game invite)? What would 2♣♦♥ be over 1N?

Very typical topic,very good discussion.
Surprisedly,this topic does not get bbo attention.
Actually we reported this sort of topics many times,but it can't be solved.

After take-out,Gib responder usually bid ♠,rarely bid ♥ if Gib responder have 4-4 or 5-5 majors,I am wondering why don't cheapest bid ♥?
Hoping gorgi can solve this sort of problems in the next version.

[Stephen Tu]

lycier, on 2015-February-24, 22:54, said:

After take-out,Gib responder usually bid ♠,rarely bid ♥ if Gib responder have 4-4 or 5-5 majors,I am wondering why don't cheapest bid ♥?
Hoping gorgi can solve this sort of problems in the next version.

If responder isn't strong enough to cue bid immediately to find a fit in either suit (which should be ~10+ pts), generally it's correct in response to a takeout double to bid the higher suit, not the cheaper suit. This allows one to bid the other suit later if given a reasonable opportunity to do so, while allowing doubler to correct back to the first suit at the same level. Keeping the auction lower generally leads to better results.

This is NOT like responding to an opening bid of a minor. In that case you bid up the line, because opener is supposed to bid spades if not holding 4 hearts. In a competitive takeout double situation, it's considerably different. Takeout doubler is NOT going to bid spades if he holds like 43 in the majors for his double, because doubling then bidding a new suit shows 5+ and a very strong hand. So it's not like responding to 1m where 1♥ finds you a fit in either major. 1M if passed out, either one can be right so there's no advantage in picking hearts if there is no further bidding. Also further competition by the opps is possible and you would like to bid 1♠ then 2♥ to play either major at the two level, rather than 1♥ then 2♠ and if partner has hearts now you have to declare 3.

The main problem on this hand is it didn't follow through on the original plan.
The main problem on other hands is when holding a minor, it tends to respond to takeout doubles in minors for no good reason, it should prioritize majors even over longer minors unless like 7+ minor or something like that.

[1eyedjack]

Absolutely agree with ST.

If not strong enough to force, then should bid 4-4 hands DOWN the line in response to double. You are equally likely to hit partner's (only) 4 card major first time, but responding 1S maximises your ability to investigate with safety a fit in the other major if you happen not to hit it first time.

But yes, having chosen 1S to start with, please follow up with 2H if given the opportunity.