BBO Discussion Forums: Awkward Bidding Problem - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Awkward Bidding Problem

#1 User is offline   eagles123 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,831
  • Joined: 2011-June-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK Near London
  • Interests:Crystal Palace

Posted 2015-February-07, 14:36



both sides are playing 2/1 its imps on bbo (all players are bbfers - I hope people don't mind me posting this_

I was very unsure as to what to bid here

many thanks

Eagles
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
0

#2 User is offline   MrAce 

  • VIP Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,971
  • Joined: 2009-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houston, TX

Posted 2015-February-07, 14:44

I know this hand!! :P

I do not mind at all hands being posted.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
0

#3 User is offline   mike777 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 16,849
  • Joined: 2003-October-07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2015-February-07, 15:08

2h
1

#4 User is offline   Endymion77 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 193
  • Joined: 2013-August-18
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Bulgaria
  • Interests:NFL, NBA, poker

Posted 2015-February-07, 15:29

2♥ as a good spade raise seems right, and I'd pass 2♠ by partner
1

#5 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2015-February-07, 16:02

Yeah it's only awkward if for some strange reason you aren't playing 2♥ as showing exactly this hand (or better).
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
1

#6 User is offline   eagles123 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,831
  • Joined: 2011-June-08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:UK Near London
  • Interests:Crystal Palace

Posted 2015-February-07, 16:05

ok maybe this was a blind spot of mine
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
0

#7 User is offline   ggwhiz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,952
  • Joined: 2008-June-23
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2015-February-07, 16:07

I slightly prefer double probably followed by 2♠ hoping to show the power raise next round instead of shape.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
What is baby oil made of?
0

#8 User is offline   mike777 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 16,849
  • Joined: 2003-October-07
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2015-February-07, 18:10

View Posteagles123, on 2015-February-07, 16:05, said:

ok maybe this was a blind spot of mine


fwiw a cuebid or double are often the best options when you have an awkward bidding problem. :)
1

#9 User is offline   nige1 

  • 5-level belongs to me
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,128
  • Joined: 2004-August-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Glasgow Scotland
  • Interests:Poems Computers

Posted 2015-February-07, 20:00

View Posteagles123, on 2015-February-07, 14:36, said:

both sides are playing 2/1 its imps on bbo (all players are bbfers - I hope people don't mind me posting this_
I was very unsure as to what to bid here
many thanks
Agree with others: 2♥ = 10, Double = 9, 2♠ = 8.
Guthrie.tech
0

#10 User is offline   kgr 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,432
  • Joined: 2003-April-11

Posted 2015-February-08, 05:07

View Postggwhiz, on 2015-February-07, 16:07, said:

I slightly prefer double probably followed by 2♠ hoping to show the power raise next round instead of shape.

My initial idea was 2♥, but maybe DBL followed by 2♠ is better?
What is the difference?: Both show invite+ values, but starting with DBL is more balanced and based on points?
http://bss2html.atspace.cc/
0

#11 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,519
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2015-February-08, 06:16

Your followup plan for double should be which card to lead against 1NT doubled, not a bid.
Even if partner takes it out to a minor, your subsequent 2♠ will look like a preference, not 3-card support. Only if opener takes out your double will this plan work.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#12 User is offline   P_Marlowe 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,257
  • Joined: 2005-March-18
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2015-February-08, 08:08

X

Lets see, how the auction develops, the chances, that we can make 4S
are low, I willing to give up on it.
Depending on partners style, I can still bid 3S, if I really want.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
0

#13 User is offline   MrAce 

  • VIP Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,971
  • Joined: 2009-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houston, TX

Posted 2015-February-08, 11:37

I was his pd. I think dbl is a very bad idea, for the reasons Arend already stated. Imo 2♥ is correct.

Fwiw, I like 2♠ much more than dbl, if I was to choose between one of them. If you start dbl, and if someone takes it out for whatever reason and it comes back to you as 3♦ or 3♥ you have a problem.At this point you are on your own since pd has no clue about the fit by your dbl. Which may or may not turn out to be a very costly problem if you now decide wrong. But if you show your fit and your strength at 2 level while you can, you will not have this problem.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"

"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
0

#14 User is offline   benlessard 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,465
  • Joined: 2006-January-07
  • Location:Montreal Canada
  • Interests:All games. i really mean all of them.

Posted 2015-February-08, 11:52

The vul is wrong for X so 2H is normal. Note that most of the times its not a big deal to double with 3 spades, if partner pass 1nt its 1ntx and if he pull to a minors than hes miminum and you dont have game anyway. Its when its the opps that pull that you may have a problem.



Now its likely that partner would like to know if you have 2 or 3 trumps.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
0

#15 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2015-February-08, 11:52

I really don't understand double. For me double 100% denies 3 spades.
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0

#16 User is offline   fromageGB 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,679
  • Joined: 2008-April-06

Posted 2015-February-09, 05:18

Either you are playing 2♥ = good raise with 3 spades, or you are not. If you are, it's obvious. If not, I prefer 2♠ to X, as it may be awkward or too late otherwise to show them later.
0

#17 User is offline   Zelandakh 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,704
  • Joined: 2006-May-18
  • Gender:Not Telling

Posted 2015-February-09, 10:31

View Postmgoetze, on 2015-February-08, 11:52, said:

I really don't understand double. For me double 100% denies 3 spades.

How about a low ODR 3=5=(3-2) or 3=4=3=3? FWiiW I also saw this as a wtp 2♥.
(-: Zel :-)
0

#18 User is offline   mgoetze 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 4,942
  • Joined: 2005-January-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Cologne, Germany
  • Interests:Sleeping, Eating

Posted 2015-February-09, 11:56

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-February-09, 10:31, said:

How about a low ODR 3=5=(3-2) or 3=4=3=3? FWiiW I also saw this as a wtp 2♥.

So you are playing penalty doubles now? Or what would you hope to accomplish with double?

I mean, if you have 5 hearts, then your partner has approximately 1 heart. Meanwhile they rate to have a 4-card minor opposite your doubleton. Certainly you can decide that any heart honors are likely to be useless and downgrade to 2♠ if appropriate, but the fact remains, you have 3 card support, so if you bid at all then showing that is your first priority.

You can go ahead and play 2♥, 2♠, 2NT, 3♠ AND 3♥ all as spade raises, that should give you plenty of options to describe any possible spade raise you want. But support with support, please.
"One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision"
    -- Bertrand Russell
0

#19 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,092
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2015-February-09, 12:05

1. Double is responsive.
2. Even if it's not it's a bad idea with a fit.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0
Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

2 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users