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Posted 2015-February-04, 17:43



MP

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Posted 2015-February-04, 17:45

vulnerable with a bunch of quacks and the possibility of the opps getting a poor
trump split--seems like an ideal time to bury my head in the sand and quietly pass.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 08:01

No double. But double when not vulnerable.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 17:49

Sometimes you need to know the strength of the opposition, but on this one I double regardless, and I wouldn't regard it as horrible playing imps.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 18:03

View PostPhilKing, on 2015-February-05, 17:49, said:

but on this one I double regardless, and I wouldn't regard it as horrible playing imps.


+1 and you will get a heart lead against 3 much more often than you will go for a number.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 21:06

View Postggwhiz, on 2015-February-05, 18:03, said:

+1 and you will get a heart lead against 3 much more often than you will go for a number.

Yes, and getting the opponents to the three level is ten times as important as directing the lead.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 21:18

View Postggwhiz, on 2015-February-05, 18:03, said:

+1 and you will get a heart lead against 3 much more often than you will go for a number.


Don't just say +1; upvote!

I am just wondering whether Lebensohl is played here, or whether doesn't make a lot of sense when we are a passed hand and partner had nothing to say over . (LOL and I'd really better ask my partner's opinion!)
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Posted 2015-February-05, 22:25

2N 2 places to play...
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Posted 2015-February-05, 22:34

View PostSteveMoe, on 2015-February-05, 22:25, said:

2N 2 places to play...


Don't you have three?
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Posted 2015-February-05, 22:46

View PostSteveMoe, on 2015-February-05, 22:25, said:

2N 2 places to play...

Sorry, the General chart in the ACBL only allows NT overcalls that show multiple suits below 4NT if at least one of the suits is specified. Of course ACBL regs only apply to Anglo-North America and Mexico.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 22:49

View PostPhil, on 2015-February-05, 22:34, said:

Don't you have three?

...that means partner can't miss! I have misgivings about partner making a speculative pass of a double here. Will pass partners 3-level advance.
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Posted 2015-February-05, 23:00

View PostBillPatch, on 2015-February-05, 22:46, said:

Sorry, the General chart in the ACBL only allows NT overcalls that show multiple suits below 4NT if at least one of the suits is specified. Of course ACBL regs only apply to Anglo-North America and Mexico.

Thanks Bill. Had played this in mid-chart events before but now I'm not sure it's even allowed there.
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Posted 2015-February-06, 02:37

View PostBillPatch, on 2015-February-05, 22:46, said:

Sorry, the General chart in the ACBL only allows NT overcalls that show multiple suits below 4NT if at least one of the suits is specified. Of course ACBL regs only apply to Anglo-North America and Mexico.


Does anyone know why Central America and the Caribbean are separated from the rest of North America? They have like 1500 players.
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Posted 2015-February-06, 03:39

Anyway, back to the question. This seems like a typical prebalance; I think we just have to do it as a matter of policy; we have easily half the deck -- 17 to 23 is where the LAW applies to part-score competition, and we could have 24. Yes, Partner can bid 2NT as a scramble to pick a minor. IMO, Leben should not be used in OBAR auctions, although some people use the name indiscriminately.
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Posted 2015-February-06, 04:15

well yes I did double. It didn't matter on the result because N just bid 4s (which he would've done if I'd passed also)

was just interested on whether it was right in theory to x

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Posted 2015-February-06, 04:30

View PostBillPatch, on 2015-February-05, 22:46, said:

Sorry, the General chart in the ACBL only allows NT overcalls that show multiple suits below 4NT if at least one of the suits is specified. Of course ACBL regs only apply to Anglo-North America and Mexico.


I did not look up the wording, but I am 100% sure that who wrote the GCC intended to exclude 2NT in this position showing two arbitrary suits. It is the standard meaning.
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